HomeMy WebLinkAboutStaff Report 5.B 09/16/2019 - Attachment 15From: Linda Barbieri <Ibarb423@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 2:31 PM
To: Hines, Heather
Subject: A Fine Balance - City Council Hearing
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To: Heather Hines
Re: A Fine Balance
Family issues prevent me from attending the City Council Hearing on Monday, September 16 so I
am sending you my feelings on the art project, A Fine Balance. Being a homeowner in Petaluma, I object
to characterizing my community as one needing bathtubs on stilts publicly displayed. What exactly is
the message being sent? We need bathing? I also believe they will be subject to graffiti and vandalism
and become targets for daring attempts (climbing, selfies in or on the tubs or hanging from them). And
what is the city's liability for injuries or death resulting from these daring attempts? This art project has
been questionable from the beginning. Petaluma doesn't need this project to be approved. Linda
Barbieri
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From: Jennifer Anderman <jennifer@world12.net>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 5:10 PM
To: Miller, Kathy <kmilier@cityofpetaluma.org>
Cc: -- City Clerk <Cit Clerk cit ofi etaluma.or >
Subject: Petaluma Bathtub Installation
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We request that the City Clerk enter the below letter into the public record for the SWS appeal.
Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being placed on Water Street in
our downtown and, in specific to the Petaluma Public Art Committee (PPAC) and their approval of "A Fine
Balance." I and many others are very disturbed to see such an inappropriate proposal be approved in the
face of major public opposition.
Currently, the PPAC budget is approximately $450,000. It is expected to grow to be close to $1 million this
year. There is no other committee in Petaluma that is responsible for such a large budget which is not an
advisory committee with direct oversight by the City Council. This committee operates as an independent
entity funded by a portion of city development fees, i.e. public funds.
This might not be problematic but the PPAC has been allowed to handle their autonomy and fiduciary
responsibility in a very irresponsible manner. They have approved "A Fine Balance," bathtubs on stilts, in
the face of significant public opposition, without due process: formal review by the historic and cultural
committee, review from the planning commission, an EIR review and without considering alternatives. PPAC
has assumed the authority to re -invent a portion of our historic downtown, without going through the
normal avenues to make such a change. This is just plain wrong.
There are many reasons this project should not go forward. I will list just a few of them here:
1. The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the downtown
2. The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the downtown
3. The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay zones
4. The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird droppings, Mosquito
larvae hatching in the one inch of water that will collect at the top of the sealed tubs have not been
addressed by the artist or the PPAC or the city
5. The climb -ability could be dangerous and even fatal to a young person attempting to
(And you know they will try)
What makes Petaluma special is our historic downtown. Changing that ambiance is not a decision to be
made by a small special interest group.
Please either cancel the contract with Brian Goggin for "A Fine Balance" or direct that it be placed in a more
appropriate location, not downtown.
Thank you for your consideration,
Jill K. Anderman
Menahem Anderman
71 Windsor Lane, Petaluma, CA 94952
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From: Cheryl Gould <cheryl.gouldmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:03 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cit ofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett cit of etaluma.org>;
Fischer, D'Lynda <dfischer_@cit ofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy�cityof etaluma.org>; Kearney,
Gabe < kearne cit of etaluma.or >; King, Dave <dkin Cc cityof etaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmilleff cityofpetaluma.org>;
infoiiDsavewaterstreet.info
Subject: I am opposed to the tubs on Water Street
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Please enter my comment into the public record if possible.
Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being placed on Water Street in
our downtown. There are many reasons this project should not go forward. I will list just a few of them
here:
1.The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the downtown
2.The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the downtown
3.The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay zones
I love the idea of public art but putting something up in everyone's face that can't be ignored creates
discomfort and stress everytime anyone goes downtown. Please preserve our beautiful historic
downtown.
Cheryl Gould
15 Old Creek Rd
Petaluma
94952
/ have no special talents. 1 am only passionately curious. —Albert Einstein
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Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 7:11 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaIuma.org>
Subject: Bath Tubs On Waterstreet
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As a citizen and business owner in Petaluma my family and I strongly disagree with the bath tubs being
placed along our river. We also strongly agree that our biggest asset is the Petaluma River which has not
been maintained by the City.
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Councilperson Fischer,
D'Lvnda;
With the appeals of the Fine Balance on Water Street approaching, I want to make a
personal appeal to you.
Last summer you were not on the council yet. But I recall, when questioned prior to
your election,you agreed the process should go forward. Your comments at that
time were prudent®
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The process that started last year has revealed a preponderance of issues and public
opinion that Fine Balance needs anew home in Petaluma
Please vote to let the PPAC., and the city, buy their Goggin,— conditional on moving
it elsewhere.
Than you,
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City Manager Peggy Flynn;
Re: Appeal of Fine Balance
Little did you know when you signed onfor this job, that your city would be
involved in an issue getting such local— and national attention.
I know that given all the things that you, and the city are facing, the issue of the
location of public art sculptures may seem insignificant.
But let me put it another way. Tremendous public outcry has erupted when the
residents of our town found out that there were five fiberglass tubs, each on four 2 0,
poles being inserted into curbs on a historicstreet that was designed to be a public
multi -use plaza, and pedestrian/ bicycle path.
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at reality is what made it a big thing for me, and many others.
The pending hearing is September 1601. What I'm interested to knew is what choices
will the council be given? On review of councils remarks made July 16th last year
where a 5-2 poll moved the process forward, the city manager-, Mr. Brown gave the
council only two choices: do nothing or cancel the contract. Whereas the
recommendation written by Ms. Hines said they could "provide comments and
direction as appropriate". Could they have made a suggestion to relocate at that
time? We'll never know, because they were never given that option,
The council is probably sick of hearing from me. But I hope you can remind the
council that a lot has changed since they were given that all or nothing choice last
year. Since further action is pending if the appeals are denied, the council should be
encouraged to find a middle way— a compromise to buy Fine Balance, but relocate
it elsewhere.
Thank you Pegy, and keep up the good work,
K y Myers
PS-. The argument that Fine Balance is "site specific" and thus can't be changed or
moved maties no sense. It only exists as lines on paper. it has in fact been changed
from the original concept. The process this year included changes to location of
structures, materials, additional curbing, lighting — all in an attempt to adapt to a
setting that was inappropriately vetted in the first place. Even the art committee in
your April 6th meeting set a goal of "better vetting of public art sites". KM
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Dave;
With the three appeals related to the installation of Fine Balance
pending, I want to make one last plea to you. The process that played
out this last year has revealed more problems than it has any evidence
that this art belongs on Water Street.
Believe it or not, I can appreciate the humor of animated tubs
chasing each other— maybe with one poised to dive into the river.
Imagine them at the entrance of Steamer Landing Park doing just that.
But the constraints of placing these five tubs on Water Street have
(pardon the pun) stilted Goggin's original vision. They will not relate to
one another when viewed from below, and will be easily accessible to
vandalism or climbing.
Besides aesthetics, there are practical concerns. The Cherry Soda
sculpture in front of our theater had every north -facing surface covered
with green algae after the rains. Cleaning it required a six-foot ladder, a
scrub brush, and a few hours of time from city works. Imagine the
logistics, and equipment required to maintain five life-size structures
over 20 feet tall. Dangerous work— and it might have to be done more
than once a year. The cost to the city from potential injury is an
unknown, but predictable when people are looking up and negotiating
the 20 different poles set into 6" curbs dug into cobblestones.
Please consider that the process council started last summer has
worked. It's reinforced the fact that Fine Balance is not a good fit for
Water Street, but that it might fit elsewhere.
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From: miss clarity
Sent: Sunday, September 8,2O19G:BDPM
To:—ChyOerk Barnett,Teresa
Fischer, D'Lynda ; Healy, Mike ; Kearney,
Gabe ; King, Dave <; McDonnell, Kevin
Miller, Kathy
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We are writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine
Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another
location for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This
of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know supporters of
the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed
to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the
general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money
after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have made
the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of
Water Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there,
and then see how public art could be part of that. Then we could have all moved forward together to
implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage
in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This
was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an
area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public art succeed in Petaluma but
not if the public is left out of it.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to cancel this contract or find another location for Fine
I request that this letter be entered into the public record for the SWS appeal.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
370 Bailey Ave. Petaluma, CA 94952
707-696-7570
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Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 3:26 PM
To: Hines, Heather <hhhhLinesscit lofpetalurna.org>
Subject: Bathtubs on Stilts. So called public "art"
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think it makes a joke of "what is art" and this piece will ruin the beauty of the location. Further, |believe
this will be dangerous as I can envision teens or younger children attempting to climb the stilts, failing &
injuring themselves, or even dying. Finally, how does one hear about these decisions before they reach
the point where | first heard ofthis piece of"art" when people became alarmed about the ugliness of
it I never heard about a call for artists, a vote on it nor anything about it until people wanted it to
disappear.
Also, why is this public work being done by a non- Petaluma artist? Petaluma is full of artists, including
me. I do not do outdoor work but wish that this public site has a work done by a Petaluma resident.
I wish to enter my vote against this piece for all the foregoing reasons.
I first fell in love with Petaluma and the area back in the mid-1980s while employed by Francis Coppola's
where Peggy Sue's home was and later moved here, purchasing a home in that neighborhood (Oak
Hill/Brewster) where we have lived since 1991. In all this time I had never heard about Public Art
Therefore, could you or someone kindly let me know how I might learn of these proposed works before
it is too late to have any real input?
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Best regards,
From: Gerald Besses
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 4:01 PM
To:—CityOerk Barnett,Teresa
Fischer,D'Lynda Healy, Mike Kearney,
Gabe ; King, Dave <; McDonnell, Kevin
; Miller, Kathy ;
inho(@SaveWaterStreetjnfo
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.,alance" on Water Street. The installation is in direct conflict with many of the guidelines of the Central
*etaluma Specific Plan (CPSP) and this has not been reconciled by the PPAC or city staff.
The CPSP sets forth a variety of planning objectives that govern development within the central area of
the city. This plan calls generally for creation of open spaces, preservation of the riverfront preservation
of vistas and view corridorsworeservation-of the ob�ectiv
gatherin s;#.aces around the turning basin an
of fostering development that enhances the area for pedestrians and cyclists. One can just imagine
strolling down Western Avenue towards the river and having the view of the turning basin and the
Balshaw Bridge cluttered with a 25ft tall fake bathtub set askew on stilts superimposed over the view.
Neither City staff nor the artist has provided any sort of formal assessment or analysis of the fit between
the structures proposed for this location, and the objectives of the CPSP.
Please do not allow the tubs to be placed on Water Street in our downtown but instead move them to
another location or cancel the contract.
The CPSP sets forth a variety of planning objectives that govern development within the central area of
the city. This plan calls generally for creation of open spaces, preservation of the riverfront, preservation
of vistas and view corridors oreservation of gathering, suaces around the turning basin and t6he objective
it
strolling down Western Avenue towards the river and having the view of the turning basin and the
Neither City staff nor the artist has provided any sort of formal assessment or analysis of the fit between
the structures proposed for this location, and the objectives of the CPSP.
Please do not allow the tubs to be placed on Water Street in our downtown but instead move them to
another location or cancel the contract.
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� am writing to you to voice my strong njection to tne insta ne 5-a—rt—structures eY-9-Fi—ne
Ialance" on Water Street. The installation is in direct conflict with many of the guidelines of the Central
-'etaluma Specific Plan (CPSP) and this has not been reconciled by the PPAC or city staff.
The CPSP sets forth a variety of planning objectives that govern development within the central area of
the city. This plan calls generally for creation of open spaces, preservation of the riverfront, preservation
of vistas and view corridors, .•reservation "fathering, sAaces around the turning basin and the ob'ectiv
of fostering development that enhances the area for pedestrians and cyclists. One can just imagine
strolling down Western Avenue towards the river and having the view of the turning basin and the
Balshaw Bridge cluttered with a 25ft tall fake bathtub set askew on stilts superimposed over the view.
Neither City staff nor the artist has provided any sort of formal assessment or analysis of the fit between
the structures proposed for this location, and the objectives of the CPSP.
Please do not allow the tubs to be placed on Water Street in our downtown but instead move them to
another location or cancel the contract.
MERM
Gerald S. Besses
124 Sunnyhill Drive
Petaluma, CA 94952
707-763-6615
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From: K4ahonVVeinreb
Sent: Saturday, September 7(2OIg4:41PM
To: —[ityOerk ; Barret1,Teresa <
Fischer, D'Lynda Healy, Mike Kearney,
Gabe ; King, Dave <; McDonnell, Kevin
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Cc: Paula Pi|ecki
Subject: The Tubs project
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine
Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another
!Please enter this email into the public r=ecor,
for the SW!
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This
of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know supporters of
the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed
to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the
general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money
after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have made
the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of
Water Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there,
and then see how public art could be part of that. Then we could have all moved forward together to
implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage
in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This
was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an
area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public art succeed in Petaluma but
not if the public is left out of it.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another location for Fine Balance.
Marion Weinreb
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From: Cherry Palacios <cherryp_1@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 10:14 PM
To: Hines, Heather
Subject: Re Bath Tubs on Water Street, Petalum.7
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has no meaningful connection to our town.
Sincerely,
Cherry Rowe-Palacios
415 Sheldon Street
Petaluma, Ca. 94952
SEF X 4 2015
Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A
Fine Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please upheld this appeal and direct the PPAC
to seek another location for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on
petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our
historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's
a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This I a
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communal space and a permanent change to iL I think the general public should have more
of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would
have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the
heightened awareness of Water, Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the
public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that,
Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision,
Instead the committee went for the win/tose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused
to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their
hands. atone, This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making, a
decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our comm n u ity identity. Many of us want
to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another location for Fine Balance.
Sincerely,
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Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being placed on
Water Street in our downtown. There are many reasons this project should not go forward. I
will list just a few of there herein
1� The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the
downtown
. The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the
downtown
. The installations are Inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay zones,
4. The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird
droppings, mosquito larvae matching in the one inch of water that will collect at the
top of the sealed tubs have not been addressed by the artist or the PPAC or the city;
The attractive nuisance aspect of these tubs and the cUmb-ability of the 20 poles has
not been analyzed by engineers
. Graffiti prevention has not been addressed
. Ongoing maintenance by the city to prevent them from becoming even more of an
eyesore has not been defined.
For aR of the above issues an EIR should have been done. Not, only was an flit not done but
these legitimate concerns were lightly brushed over if they were acknowledged at all, by the
committee, the artist and city staff. `
These structures are not suited to our downtown, Please direct thento be placed elsewhere
or cancel the contract with the artist.
Thank you for your consideration,
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Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another location for Fine Balance.
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Most of the controversy and opposition to "A Fine Balance" centers on it being ill -suited for
the Water St location. Please consider alternative locations for "A Fine Balance" and involve
the public in this discussion, Please conduct a facilitated visioning process VAth the
community to arrive at a positive, publicly -supported plan for the Water St Plaza.
This path forward would recognize community concerns and enga ement, and also give the
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PPAC more specific input for a future public art installation at the Water St location.
Thank you for considering this request.
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From: Elaine <ew0220@sonic.net>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 4:23 PM
To: -- City Clerk <QyC1erk@cityof petal uma.org>
Subject: Appeal of Decision on "A Fine Balance"
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The following text was sent in emails to all the Petaluma City CouncilMembers, (D Fischer, M. Healy, G
Kearney, D. King, K. McDonnell, and K. Miller):
for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
Our downtown is part of the National Register of Historic Places. The downtown registered part is only
30 acres, reflecting a time period from the 1850s to 1940s. There is tremendous value in preserving a
historic district that is on the National Register. This town is unmatched anywhere else in CA in regard to
its historic structures. Many movies have been filmed here for just that reason.
Water Street is in the heart of the historic commercial district on the National Register and a narrow,
congested area. Bathroom fixtures don't belong on our historic waterfront, redefining ourtovvn's
presence inthe world. Objects placed high on poles are typically revered, be itart orotherwise, and
associating bathroom fixtures with Petaluma and seeing bathroom fixtures placed above downtown
buildings degrades Petaluma.
More than 4,OUOpeople signed petitions for noTubs onWater Street.
They, among others as well as | do not want to see bathroom fixtures standing over the City of
Petaluma.
717 N. McDowell Blvd., #307
Petaluma CA 94954
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Letter for City Councilmen
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Dear Claire,
Would you please forward this email to each of our City Council members? I am thinking you
must have a group list to facilitate rather than me cutting and pasting everyone's emails. Q
I have not involved myself with the debate about the Tubs art installation. However, hearing
that you will soon be considering the multiple appeals filed against it, I thought I would write
with my opinion.
I have traveled the world, toured many art museums, and lived in Petaluma for 11 years.
| think the Tubs work is pretty |orne — as representation/interpretation of Petaluma heritage, it
is a miss. Tubs were revived as kitsch in gift shops (in some market)s about 30 years ago -- as
soap dishes, etc.. They are passe at best. At worst, they are a social and environmental hazard --
and devalue our historic downtown value aseconomic driver.
The above is just my opinion of course. Yet, I am blown away by the huge outcry against this
"art"and it's location —|have attended meetings and followed discussions onNextDVor. It
appears the overwhelming majority ofpeop|e are against the tubs. This iSespecially true ofour
younger citizens — kids don't like it.
Therefore, | write you toexpress rnybelief that the City should be guided bythe people onthis
matter. To ignore them would, in my opinion, indicate a broken govern ment/systern and
disfunctiona| Art Commission. Further, we should learn from this incident and incorporate end -
to -end citizen input into our processes for all public developments/constructions.
Thank you very much for your attention and time,
TarynObaid
From: s. herman <Herrnan-secorncast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 3:29 PM
To: -- City Clerk <gityClerk_@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <Lb�arrett �citof �etaluma.or >;
Fischer, DTynda <dfischer �dtof �etalum�a.or >; Healy, Mike <Mbea1yj2cityofEetaIurna.org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney(TcityofpetaIuma.org>; King, Dave <dKinL@dtyofpeta1urna.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<krncdonnel1@citypftaluma.or e-@dt �ofetg_luma.o�r >
2 ......... g>; Miller, Kathy <kmille
Subject: Please uphold this appeal, thank you.
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Dear Mayor Barrrett and City CounciL,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the PubLic Art Committee's decision to approve
"A Fine Batance" for instaLtation on Water Street. PLease uphoLd this appeaL and direct the
PPAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the contract aftogether.
The vast majority of peopLe in PetaLuma are opposed to this piece being Located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on
petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on sociat media, a1L opposing this change to our
historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's
a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a
communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the general public shouLd have more
of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would
have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the
heightened awareness of Water Street, hotcl a few public workshops to find out what the
pubLic wouLd Like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that.
Then we couLd have at[ moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewatted the public, refused
to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their
hands atone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a
decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want
to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another Location for Fine Balance.
Sincerely,
Ted and Susan Herman
15-28
From: Edward Chin <edchinff pacbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:19 PM
To: -- City Clerk <Q �Clerk@cit gfetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <ttarrett@cit of etaluma.or
Fischer, D'Lynda <0fischer@C'ftyofpetalumaorg>; Healy, Mike <Mhea1y@cityofpetaIuma-org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dKinE@dtyofpeta1urna.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnel1@0Jygfpeta1uma,org>; Miller, Kathy <kmi1Ie:@dtyofp,e �Iuma�.or >
Cc: info@SaveWaterStreet.info
Subject: 5 Bathtub structures
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I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being placed
on Water Street in our downtown. There are many reasons this project should not go
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1. The structures witt have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the
downtown
2. The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the
downtown
3. The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay
zones
4. The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird
droppings, Mosquito larvae hatching in the one inch of water that wilt collect at t
i top of the seated tubs have not been addressed by the artist or the PPAC or the cl
5. The attractive nuisance aspect of these tubs and the climb -ability of the 20 poles
has not been analyzed by engineers
7. Ongoing maintenance by the city to prevent them from becoming even more of an
eyesore has not been defined.
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• all • the above issues • EIR should have • done. Not • was an EIR •
i• • these legitimate • were lightly brushed • if they were
acknowledged at all, • the committee, the artist and city staff.
These structures are not suited to our downtown. Please direct them to be placed
elsewhere or c,?ncel the contract NvIt-1h 'Ehe-artlst..
15-30
From: Cherry Pa|acios
Sent: Sunday, September 1,JO184:SUPM
To: — City Clerk
Subject: My first glimpse of the bath tubs to erected down town Petaluma....
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P|easecan you forward onto the Mayor and City Council Members. Many thanks.
Cherry&6Rovve-Pa|acios
415Sheldon Street
Petaluma, Ca. 94952
This is an actual photo of one of the 4 or 5 such tubs ($150,000 art work) to be installed on Water Stree)
right by the river. I've kept very quiet about these tubs, as I have a friend on the Art Committee, but I'm
speaking up now, after seeing this visual.
What were the Art Committee thinking? Blocks the river view horribly ... this area is also considered
part of our "Historic District", which Petaluma is known for, with the iron store fronts and quaint well
preserved old architecture. Iron bath tubs on stiles are somewhat out of place.
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Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:18 PM
To: -- City Clerk <QyClerk@cityofpetaIurna.org>
Subject: Tubs, Petaluma Eyesore.
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The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the
downtown. These tubs will be interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down
Western Avenue one would see a tall drunken tub overlaying the view of the river and the
foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It does not enhance our downtown or
add amissing dimension. !tbrings inclutter and asense ofmockery.
cancel the contract.
Sincerely
From: Steve GiKord
Sent: Saturday, August 3l,2U191O:O8PM
To: — City Clerk Barnett,Teresa
Fischer, D'Lynda Healy, Mike Kearney,
Gabe ; King, Dave <; McDonnell, Kevin
Miller, Kathy
I am writing to you in support of the appeal, of the PubLic Art Committee's decision to
approve "A Fine BaLance" for instaLtation on Water Street. PLease uphoLd this appeal and
direct the PPAC to seek another Location for the piece or terminate the contract aftogether.
Aside from the fact that there is such strong and persistent opposition, I find it
unfortunate that the exhibit is both derivative and as I understand was originally
submitted to another Northern California City who turned it down. Smatt wonder that it
does not seem to be a good fit for Petaluma. I hope we are wise enough to do the same.
I understand that this sculptor is highly regarded and has very impressive pieces on
display in the US and abroad but even a Master can have pieces which he will later regret.
I think this s one of them.
The vast majority of people in Petatuma are opposed to this piece being located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus-Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on
petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, aR opposing this change to our
historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's
a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a
communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the generat pubtic shouLd have more
of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after al.L.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stitts, it
would have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of
the heightened awareness of Water Street, hoLd a few public workshops to find out what the
pubLic wouLd Like to see happen there, and then see how public art couLd be part of that.
Then we couLd have all, moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead, the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public,
-,efused to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street wav
in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making
a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us
want to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is Left out of
NOUN!
Sincerely,
Stephen Gilford
107 Edith St.
Petaluma, CA 94952
15-34
From: Marie Huhtala <mthuhta1a(@arnai xom,>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:21 PM
To: -- City Clerk <QyCIerk@cityofgeta1uma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <Lbarrett �citof �etaluma.or >;
Fischer, D'Lynda <d �ischer �dt of �etalg_maor�>; Healy, Mike <n2bea1y@cityofpetaIuma.org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearnev@citvofPetaIuma.org>; King, Dave <jL<Ling@dtyofpetaIuma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnelL@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmille -&dt ofetg_luma.o�r >;
Linfo_@savewaterstreet. info
Subject: No Bathtub Art in Petaluma!
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Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being
placed on Water Street in our downtown. There are many reasons this project
should not go forward. I will list just a few of them here:
1. 1.The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the
downtown
2. 2.The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the
downtown
3. 3.The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay
zones
4. 4.The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird
droppings, mosquito larvae hatching in the one inch of water that will collect at the
top of the sealed tubs have not been addressed by the artist or the PPAC or the city
5. 5.The attractive nuisance aspect of these tubs and the climb -ability of the 20 poles
has not been analyzed by engineers
6. 6.Graffiti prevention has not been addressed
7. 7.Ongoing maintenance by the city to prevent them from becoming even more of
an eyesore has not been defined.
For all of the above issues an EIR should have been done. Not only was an EIR not
done but these legitimate concerns were lightly brushed over if they were
acknowledged at all, by the committee, the artist and city staff.
These structures are not suited to our downtown. Please direct them to be placed
elsewhere or cancel the contract with the artist.
Thank you for your consideration,
Marie T. Huhtala
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JANE HAMILTON
110 G Street, Petaluma, CA 94952
August 20, 2019
Dear Mayor and City Council,
There is a multitude of reasons to move the proposed location of the "tubs on stilts" away from Water
Street. After considering the accumulated evidence that this installation is inappropriate for the site, l
am hopeful that on September 16 , you will uphold the appeals that are before you.
It appears to me that the process and decision to locate this installation of public art in our historic
downtown was not given careful consideration or professional analysis or appropriate public review,
Four committee members made the decision based on them aesthetic preferences to approve a
permanent change to a downtown block without first conducting a review of its consistency with the
various overlays and planning documents already defining that area. This was done in the face of
significant public opposition
The responsibility for this lack of appropriate and legally defensible process lies not with the novice_
committee members, but with the City itself, We could consider this part of a learning curve on how to
properly consider public Art review if the right decisions are made to rectify the process,
I arty writing this letter to ask you to please consider this project in the context of the Secretary of
Interior's Standards for Treatment of Historic Properties and Guidelines. This project is inconsistent with
and in violation of these Guidelines.
First, it is important to appreciate that the Guidelines address not just historical buildings themselves,
but also the settings and surroundings. The Guidelines refer to the setting as the lamer area or
environment in which the historic buildings are located, A site, in this case Dater Street, may be
significant in its own right or because of its association with historic buildings. The Guidelines to
the entire array of features:
Site features may include walls, fences, or steps, circulation systems such as walks,
paths or roads; vegetation, such as trees, shrubs grass, orchards, hedges, windbreaks, or
gardens, landforms, such as hills, terracing, or berms; furnishings and fixtures, such as
light posts or benches; decorative elements, such as sculpture, statuary, or monuments;
water features, including fountains, streams, pools, lakes, or irrigation ditches —
The over -arching mandate of the Guidelines as they relate to new construction is that it be appropriately
scaled and located far enough away from the historic building to maintain its character and that of the
site and setting. In my opinion and the opinion of many other professional and lay people, the project is
completely out of scale given its location adjacent to existing historic structures and next to the river, It
is virtually shoehorned into the location,
The Guidelines recommend against implementing a treatment or architectural style which is not
compatible with the historic character of the site. Specifically, it is not recommended to add:
Conjectural landscape features to the site (such as period reproduction light fixtures,
fences, fountains, or vegetation) that are historically inappropriate, thereby creating
an inaccurate appearance of the site.
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JANE HAMILTON
Street, Petaluma, CA 94952
Water Street is clearly a critical component of the historic characters of the area, The Guidelines
recommend against altering the site features, which A Fire Balance clearly does. This project
introduces new construction into the historic district that is visually incompatible and destroys the
historic relationship within the setting.
The installation of Fine Balance on Water street will substantially degrade the aesthetic and historic
quality of the area and the surroundings. s. Water Street, specifically at this location, is particularly
sensitive in the context of the historic setting:
,s I said in the beginning, there are many significant and legitimate reasons to uphold the appeals and
direct the committee to locate Fine Balance elsewhere. This letter points to one of those reasons.
I have been very much in support of the Public Art ordinance and thought it would be a great addition to
our town, Seeing ;how it has played out, I now question Petaluma'Petaluma's ability to responsibly manage a
public art program. My fear is that if the council decides to deny the appeals and thereby install Fine
Balance on Water street, the bl awback to that decision will be the public moving to rescind the Public
Art ordinance altogether, In addition, at a time when the council creeds to have a high level of public
approval and confidence in order to pass a much needed tax measure, squandering public good will on
the flawed`decision of 4 committee members is not worthwhile.
Thank you for serving our community through these difficult time
Best Regards,
Jane Hamilton
Petaluma City Council Member, '1992-2001
Former co -Chair of Petaluma giver playa and Central Petaluma Specific Plan
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RECEIVED
August 5, 2019
To: Petaluma City Clerk CITY CLERK
Re', Art in Petaluma Historic District
Please distribute the attached latter to the intended recipients.
Please also add the letter to the public record in connection with the three appeals from the
Petaluma public Art Committee's decision to locate A Fine Balance installation on Water Street.
Thank you,
i
Skip canner Petaluma Historian and Author, 1985 Petaluma Good Egg
Adair Sara -- Petaluma Historian and Author, 1983 Petaluma Good Egg
Lucy I<orptum -- Petaluma Historian and Author, 2006 Petaluma Good Egg
John FitzGerald -_ Petaluma River Historian, 2004 Citizen of the Year, 2012 Petaluma Good Egg
John Benanti—Historian, Petaluma Historical Library & Museum
Kit Schlich — Member, Petaluma Historical Library & Museum and P talurna Historic & Cultural
Preservation Committee
Tom Corbett — Author, Past Comm dare of Petaluma yacht Clubs Sonoma County Certified
Tourism Ambassador, Chair, Petaluma Sesquicentennial Committee
Petaluma Good Eggs honored fortheir contribution to maintaining and promoting Petaluma
history):
Linda Buffo, 1988 Petaluma Good Egg
Alice Forsyth, 1988 Petaluma Goad Egg
Penny Lee Christensen, 1995 Petaluma Good Egg
Katie Watts, 2004 Petaluma mood ['99
Kathy Fries, 2009 Petaluma Good Egg
Chris Stevick, 2011, Petaluma Good Egg
Lyndi Brown, 2016 Petaluma Good Egg
John Maher (Petaluma Pete), 2017 Petaluma Good Egg
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Mayor Teresa Barrett
Members, Petaluma City Council
Historic
We, the undersigned, request that you honor Petaluma's Historic District and all the combined
efforts that have gone into preserving it, by directing this installation (Fine Balance) away from
our Historic District to another location. From petition signatures, it seerns apparent that
thousands of people in Petalurna care about preserving Water Street. If the Petaluma Public Art
Committee wants to choose an installation for the Water Street Plaza, away we suggest holding
a well -publicized public workshop to determine what the community would like to see happen
there, and how art could enhance that vision.
This, document is presented and approved by:
Skip Sommer - Petaluma Historian and Author, 1985 Petaluma Good Egg
Adair Lara — Petalurna Historian anti Author, 1983 Petaluma Good Egg
Lucy Kortum — Petaluma Historian and Author, 2006 Petaluma Good Egg
John Fitz Gerald -- Petalurna River Historian, 2004 Citizen of the Year, 2012 Petaluma Good Egg
John Berrant! — Historian, Petaluma Historical Library & Museum
Kit Schlich — Member, Petaluma Historical Library & Museum and Petaluma Historic & Cultural
Preservation Committee
Tom Corbett — Author, Past Commodore of Petaluma Yacht Club, Sonoma County Certified
Tourism Ambassador; Chair, Petaluma Sesquicentennial Committee
Petaluma Good Eggs (honored for their contribution to maintaining and promoting Petaluma
history):
Linda Buffo, 1988 Petaluma Good Egg
Alice Forsyth, 1988 Petaluma Good Egg
Penny Lee Christensen, 1.995 Petaluma Good Egg
Katie Watts, 2004 Petaluma Good Egg
Kathy Fries, 2009 Petaluma Good Egg
Chris Stevick, 2011 Petaluma Good Egg
Lyndi Brown, 2016 Petaluma, Good Egg
John Maher (Petaturn a Pete), 2017 Petalum:a Good Egg
August 5, 2019
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Raye Lynn Thomas
13 Cader Court
Petaluma, CA. 94952
July 9, 2019
Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub structures from being placed on
Water Street in our downtown. There are many reasons this project should not go forward. I
will list just a few of them here:
1. The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the
downtown —I would be embarrassed rather than proud to show them to visitors
2. The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the
downtown —they would obscure rather than contribute to one of the best historical
views of the river
3. The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay zones
4. The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird
droppings, Mosquito larvae hatching in the one inch of water that will collect at the
top of the sealed tubs have not been addressed by the artist or the PPAC or the city
5. The attractive nuisance aspect of these tubs and the climb -ability of the 20 poles has
not been analyzed by engineers
6. Graffiti prevention has not been addressed
7. Ongoing maintenance by the city to prevent them from becoming even more of an
eyesore has not been defined.
For all of the above issues an EIR should have been done. Not only was an EIR not done but
these legitimate concerns were lightly brushed over if acknowledged at all, by the
committee, the artist and city staff.
These structures are not suited to our downtown. Please direct them to be placed elsewhere
or cancel the contract with the artist.
Thank you for your consideration,
15-41
Sent: Monday, July 8,2O198:I6AM
To: — City Clerk <[ity[|erk@cityofpeta|uma.org>; 8arrett,Tenesa <tbarret @cityofpeta|uma.or&>; Healy, Mike
<mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@cityof petal u ma.org>; King, Dave
<dk|ng@dtymfpeta|umaorQ»;McDonnell, Kevin <kmcdonne||@dtyofpeLa|uma.orK>; Miller, Kathy
<kmiUer@cityofoeta|uma.nrg>;|nfo@savewateetreednfo;Fischer, D'Lynda<dUscher@ci1yofpetal umaor8>
Subject: Disturbing Tubs
|amwriting you insupport ofthe appeal ufthe Public Art Committee's decision toapprove "AFine Ba|ance"for
installation onWater Street, Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or
terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority ofpeople in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This has been
demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social
media, all opposing this change toour historic downtown. | know supporters ofthe piece have said this amount of
uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. | disagree. This is a communal
space and apermanent change tuit. I think the general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our
downtown. This ispublic money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have made the most sense
for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of Water Street, hold a few public
workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that.
Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage in dialogue or
discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four
people in town should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community
identity. Many ofuswant tosee public art succeed inPetaluma but not ifthe public isleft out ufit.
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From: Renee Lande <renee.lande@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 10:12 AM
Subject: Fine Balance at Water St.
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Dear City Council members and staff,
We are writing to make you aware that vve object to Fine Balance being erected inthe current location on Water St.
We believe that it is out ofplace in the historic district and would interfere with events normally held at that location
and restrict any future events.
VVoare infavor ofcancelling the project.
Renee Lande
Frank Zahour
MAY 2 3 2019
CITY CLERK
To; City Clerk, City of Petaluma
Re; Appeal to City Council
of Public Art Committee decision
Kathy Myers
723 Cleveland Lane
Petaluma Ca 94952
Please add the following twenty-one pages to the: Save Water Street
appeal.
Thank you;
:athvy Myers
May, 23rd 2019
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earlier, and time to formulated their opinions.
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DATE: May 23, 2019
1'0Fletaluirta Public Art Cornmittee
FROM: Annee Knight, PUblic Art Specialist
S(JBJECT. 1)rall City ('joals
ACjENDA ITEM: 5,A
RECOMME,NDATION
It is recommended the Petaluma Publio Att Committee (PPAQ reviewthy: Drall City (33oalsto
diastase its a committeeand provide fdback,
BACKGROUND
The PPAC provided initial fieedback'on the Council Goals at their rnecting on March 28,2019,
'rhe, corninittees.feedback- was submitted to the Council as Part (if the packet toy the Aptid any
gc,W,, wKing wwkshop wid included the fiollowing:
* Climate change should be rocus on everything that the City dcs
* Consider public art under tens of climne change (living walls, river focus, etc.)
* Better collaboration and integration with other city advisory boards and conimittees. —
join resources and priorities
* More public att events and partnership with other art organizations (04-, Rivertown,
PhoenLx Tlieater)
* (letter Coat egoitionwith (Atruents to betwr vet potential publici art sites
* Creation of public ail inventory to track and celebrate Fletaluma"S public art
* Education and promotion of public art
* Ongoing and proactive maintenance of Pelaturna's public art
* More consideration of public art on the Eastside
* Focus on small cornmonity oriented publi cart projects
* Improve and eximod outivach -- bring the PUblic into the process and integrate with larger
it cats proach'to outreach
* Ternpoturytart installations and other types ot'public art celebrations
* Better communication bwtween the city's advisory bodies
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Fine Balance" is out of step with these new ideals. Its
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IFA
Test case highlights;
Filed 12/17/18
CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION
IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE, OF CALIFORNIA
THIRD APPELLATE DISTRICT
(I-] Dorado)
GEORGE TOWN PRE, SERVATION SOCIETY,
Plaintiff and Respondent,
V.
COUNTY OFEL DORADO et al.,
Defendants and Appellants;
SIMONCRE ABBIE, LLC.,
Real Party in Interest and Appellant,
C084872
(Super, Ct. No, PC20160205)
APPEAL froin ajudgment of the Superior Court of El Dorado Comity, Warren C.
Stracener, Judge. Affnined.
Law Offices of Donald B. Mooney and Donald B. Mooney for Plaintiff and
Respondent.
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Michael J. Ciecozzi, County Counsel, Breann M. Moebius, Deputy County
Counsel, for Defendants and Appellants.
Remy Moose Manley, Sabrina V. Teller, L.. li ab th Sari said Sara F. Dudley
for Real Party in Interest and Appellant,
The Soliagi Law Group, Margaret Sohagi and R. Tyson Sohagi for The League of
California Cities and the California State Association of Counties as .micas Curiae on
behalf of Appellants.
Aesthetics are, subjective, But as we explained in Pricker Protectors v. City of
,54crainento (2004) 124 Cal,.App.4th 903 (PockerProtectors), and as the trial court found,
lay opinions can provide substantial evidence to support a fair argument that a Project
Quality Act (CEQA) (Pub, Resources Code § 2 1000, et seq.). I
Georgetown is a quaint mrincorporated Gold Rush -era hamlet in rural El Dorado
County (the County, including defendant Board of Supervisors). Developer SimonCRE
Abbie, LLC mid its principals (Denton and Carolyn Beam, all collectively real parties)
want to erect a. Dollar General chain discount store on three vacant Main Street lots.
Local residents acting t1nough plaintiff Georgetown Preservation Society (Society)
objected, claiming this would impair the look of their town. After real parties slightly
modified the project, the County adopted a mitigated negative declaration, finding there
was no basis to require an EIR. In response tag the Society's mandamus petition, the trial
court duly applied Pocket Protectors and found the Society's evidence supported a fair
argument that the project may have a significant aesthetic effect on the environment, but
rejected the Society"s claims about traffic impacts and pedestrian safety, and declined to
Further undesignated statutory references are to the Public Resources Code.
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fair argunient test would be effectively eviscerated because much of the evidence
submitted in [CEQA proceedings] comes from people and entities who are interested in
the outcome of the lead agency's decision"].)
Similarly, in Pocket Protectors we rejected a project proponent's claim that a city
council found the credibility of public comment wanting, pointing out that the relevant
-findings "do not discuss any opposing evidence: they merely recite generally that
substantial evidence of a signifienrit effect on the environment does not exist. Thus, we
see no specific credibility call by the City Council which recta deference." (Pocket
Protectors, supro, 124 Cal,AppAfh at pp. 934-935.)
Further, a treatise as by principles of the law firm representing real parties
(,.vliicb also represented the project proponents in Pocket Protectors) states as follows:
"Under the cases discussed . . . if the lead agency concludes that evidence
that a pfcject may have a significant environmental impact is insubstantial because
it is unreliable, incredible, or inlierently improbable, then a reviewing court may
accord that determination soine deference. In the authors' view, to qualify for
such deference the lead agency should take care to identify the evidence in
question with particularity, and explain why the agency regards the evidence as
insubstantial. Absent this information, a reviewing court might have M
inadequate basis for deferring to the agency's determinations regarding tile
substantiality of that evidence." (Remy et, al., Guide to the Cal. Environmental
Quality Act, (CEQA) (I I th ed. 2006) Negative Declarations, 1). 277.)
We agree. The cases on this point, including Pocket Prah, tors, support the rule
followed by the trial court. We do not view this as layering a court -made procedural rule
onto CEQA review procedures. Instead, it is a basic rate of administrative review that
precludes a party from manufacturing after -the -fact findings that an agency never made.
Finally, even, if we considered the credibility and foundational objections
appellants claim the County sustained at least impliedly, we would tind the County
abused its discretion, any of the commentators were local residents and therefibre
appearance. The large number of negative opinions undermine the -argument that only a
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few individualized complainants are trying to thwart the project for personalreasons.
Appellants llants have provided no authority for their implicit view that residents must provide
the kind of foundation that are expert witness at a trial might be expected to provide or
declare their opinions under penalty of pekimy, and imposing such requirements would
needlessly muffle legitimate commentary on matters of public interest, contrary to the
informative purpose of CEQA. (See 1 Kostka & Zischke, Practice Linder Cal.
Environmental u lit Act, supra, Purpose and I-Estory of CEQA, § 1.1 [one CE-QA
purpose is "to inform government decision -makers and the public; about the potential
significant environmental effects"].
DISPOSITION
c judgment nt is affirnied, The Georgetown Preservation Society shall receive its
costs on appeal. (See Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8. 78(a)(1), `
/s/
Duarte, J.
/s1
Butz, Acting P.J.
/s/
Murray, J.
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( Thefollowing is not in this article, but on the publk record
PPAC videos; March 281h and April 25th)
story is about."'
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May 11 r ; the parcel is "flanked bv the Pptnhimn
5/20/2019 Petaluma River Park
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Good morning,
My name is Roger Robles and I am associated withe the Save Water Street group that is appealing the Fine
Balance project proposed for Water Street. I am writing today to seek information on the appeal process. In
order for us to prepare our appeal we need to know more about the process - things like how much time are
we allotted for our presentation, are we allowed to present expert witnesses, will there be a presentation by
the Petaluma Art Committee and, if so, will we be allotted time for rebuttal.
11 OWNS@ lm. I
Is his process documented somewhere? Would you please direct me or forward my e-mail to someone that
might be able to help.
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From: PETER/PATRICIA BORDIGA <p_pb�grd _L_f_Qmcast..net>
To: infq�)save,� �a(�rstrge Jnfo
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Date: May 15, 2019 at 10:37 PM
Subject: Please, Don't Allow It!
Dear Mayor Barrett and City Council Members,
Respectfully, we implore you to please consider another location for "A Fine
Balance". We do not believe it enhances the turning basin area. We would suggest
using the funds to somehow fix or replace the rotting wharf (or maybe even dredge the
basin!). These things would surely provide a greater draw of people to the area.
It has been said that art is fulfilling its purpose if it causes controversy. However, we do
not believe controversy belongs in the turning basin. Rather, it should be a place of
peace and enjoyment, and any artwork emplaced there should promote those feelings
and work with the surrounding themes.
Please uphold the appeal and direct PPAC to find another location for "A Fine Balance",
or cancel the contract altogether!
Peter and Patricia Bordiga
#2 Fullerton Lane, Petaluma
From: Peg Saragina <msaragina@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:19 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.or
Subject: Opposing "A Fine Balance" I
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Oe@rMayor and Council Members,
?.n independent entity, managing a large budget, and with no direct oversight by the City Council. It is clear to me the
PPAC has chosen to handle their autonomy and fiduciary responsibility in a very irresponsible manner. They have
i?.pproved "A Fine Balance" without due process. There has been no formal review by the Historic and Cultural
Committee, no review from the Planning Commission, no EIR review, and no consideration for selecting alternative sites
in the face of a large public outcry about the historical location.
PPAC has decided to redesign our historic downtown, without going through the normal avenues which would include
the public, and require a formal review as to how it fits into the zoning overlays already in existence. What makes
Petaluma special is our historic downtown! Changing the ambiance is not a decision to be made by a small special
interest group. You must consider the unintended consequences of installing this contemporary art in the Historic
Downtown. We would never have received the National Register of Historic Places designation with these five large an
structures in our Historic District.
Margaret (Peg) Saragina
135
Fromm: Daniel P|unn|ey^danieib.p|uno|ey@gnlaiiconn>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14,2OI91O:27PK4
To: Barrett,Tenesa<tbarret @cbvofmeta|unna.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda<dfischer@dtvofpetal urna.or8>; Healy, Mike
<nnhea|y@dtyofpetal unna.org>;Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@d1yofpetal unoa.org>;King, Dave
<dking@dtyofpetal urna.org>;McDonnell, Kevin <knncdonne||@dtyofpetal urna.org>|Miller, Kathy
<knni||er@cityofpetal unna.mq{>
Cc: — City Clerk <[ity[|erk@dtyofpeim|unna.or8>
Subject: Noto"AFine Balance"
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the decision to approve "A Fine Balance" for installation on Water
Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the
contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located on Water Street. This has
been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1 000's of
comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I think the general public should
have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown since it is public money being used.
The PPAC has stonewalled the public, refused to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the
future of Water Street was in their hands alone. The decision to approve "A Fine Balance" installation on
Water Street was a 4-2 vote by the City Council. Four people in town should not be making a decision of this
magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public art succeed in
Petaluma but not if the public is left out of the decisions.
Daniel B. Plumley
137
Fromn:karen brown <kanen|e@paobeU.ne1>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 5:40 PM
To: — City Clerk <CityC|erk@cityofoeta|unoa.or8>; 8arrett,Teresa <tbarrett@d1yofoeta|unna.org>; Fischer, D'Lyndo
<dfischer@cityofpeta|urna.or0>;Healy, Mike <nnhea|y@dtyofpeta|urno.org>;Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>;
McDonnell, Kevin <knncdonne||@dtyofpeta|unoa.org>
Subject: Please relocate "AFine Ba|ance''toadifferent location
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Dear Mayor Barrettand City Council,
Although most citizens of Petaluma seem to be strongly opposed to the proposed location for "A Fine Balance," I still greatly appreciate
the time and effort the PPAC has invested with the goal of enriching our town. In this spirit, I request that you relocate "A Fine Balance"
to an alternative location. The water treatment plant has been suggested by many as an alternative site — that might be an appropriate
and amusing home for this very controversial piece.
Most of the controversy and opposition to "A Fine Balance" centers on it being ill -suited for the Water St location, as it presents
innumerable safety and liability issues and interferes with the pleasure, usefulness, and historic nature of that site. Please consider
2.1ternative locations for "A Fine Balance" and involve the public in this discussion.
art installations in Petaluma.
Thank you for considering this request.
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 1:32 PM
To: @arrettTeresa<1barnett1@c |unnaorg>;Fbcher,D'Lynda<dfscher@c |unna.or8>;Heak\K4ike
<nnhea|y@dt*ofoeta|urna.orQ>;Kearney Gabe <8kearney@citvofpetal unoo.or&>;King, Dave
<dkinQ@dtyofpetal unnaorg>;McDonnell, Kevin <knncdonne||@dtyofpetal unna.org>; Miller, Kathy
<kmiUer@dtyofpeta|umo4rg>;—City Clerk <[ityC|erk@cityofpeta|uma.org>
Cc/info@savexvaterstreet.inhz
Subject: Opposition to Victorian bathtubs on stilts and request entry into public record to cancel entire project- Please
listen tooverwhelming opposition from your constituents
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Dear Mayor Barrett, City Council members, and City Clerk,
|annadamantly opposed toerecting 5plastic Victorian bathtubs on221o25f tall stilts inthe core mfour downtown nn
Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown. These tubs will be
interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see the proposed project
overlaying the view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. The project does not enhancti
our downtown. Rather, it brings clutter and.mockery to this historic town.
IN
RE- Victorian bathtubs on stilts project
5/13/19
Dear Mayor Barrett, City Council members, and City Clerk,
I any adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft tall
stilts in the core of our downtown on Water Street,
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout
the downtown. These tubs will be interjected into several iconic view corridors.
Coming down Western Avenue one would see the proposed project overlaying the
view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. The
project does not enhance our downtown. Rather, it brings clutter and mockery to
this historic town.
Please uphold the appeals and overwhelming opposition to this project and direct
the committee to cancel it entirely.
City Clerk - I request this correspondence is entered into the public record as part
of Save Water Street appeal.
M101
Ted Baurnsteiger
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-----Original Message -----
From: Raycourt <ray.bettencourt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 9:48 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org >; BarrettJeresa
<tbarrett@cityofpetaluma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda <dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike
<mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave
<dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin <kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>,- Miller,
Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>; info@savewaterstreet.info
Subject:
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A
Fine Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to
seek another location for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on
petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our
historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's a
great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a
communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the general public should have more of
a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would
have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the
heightened awareness of Water Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the public
would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that. Then we
could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to
engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands
alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a decision of
this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public
art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another location for Fine Balance.
15-74
From: Sophie <chelseado@gmaii.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 1:17 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: Objecting to "A Fine Balance"
—'VVarnin&:Usecaobonbefonedickinganyattachnnents.TH|5EMA|L|SFROMQUTS|DEDUREMA|LSYSTEM.—Objecting to "A Fine Balance"
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Dear Petaluma Mayor and City Council Members,
|amwritingtoaskthatynuacttnpreemthe5badhtubstructunsfnombeingplacedonVVaterStree inour downtown. The
structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the historical downtown area,
Petaluma has become a popular tourist destination and the old-fashionedhistorical view and feel ofour downtown ixwhat our tourists
enjoy. Please donot allow this view to be ruined by the contemporary artwork. If the Petaluma Public Art Committee is set on this
particular piece of art for Petaluma, then please work with the community to select a better suited site.
Thank you for your consideration,
Respectfully,
Chelsea A.Downing
Born, raised and living in Petaluma
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Frunn:Nina Bettencourt <nina.bettencourt@sbcQ|obainet>
Sent: Friday, May 10,2O1911:O1AM
To: — City Clerk <[ityOerk@ci1yofpeta|unoaorgx; 8arrett,Teresa<tbarrett@d1yofpeta|unoa.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<df|scher@ci1yofoeta|unna.org>; Healy, Mike<mhea|y@cityufpeta|urna.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetal urna.or8>; King, Dave <dkinQ@dtyofpetal uma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<knocdonne||@cityofpeta|unna.orQ>; Miller, Kathy<knni||er@cityofpeto|unno.orQ>; info@savexvoterutreet.info
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Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 5:40 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetalurna.org>
Subject: Water Street Art
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I appreciate that it is challenging to select a public art project for Petaluma. Opinions about what constitutes art
vary greatly. However, I believe that "A Fine Balance" does not represent Petaluma, is not the creation of a
local artist, and is certainly not appropriate to the Water Street location. If it is impossible to cancel the existing
contract with the artist, then please relocate the installation to an alternate location.
M=- a
15-77
From: ]|MTROMBLEYxjimtronobiey@yahoo.conn»
Sent: Monday, K4ay6, 20197:42 PM
To: — City Clerk <[ityOerk@ci1yufpetal uma.org>; 8arrettTeresa <tbarre1 @cityofpeta|uma.orQ>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@dtyofpeto|unna.org>; Healy, Mikexrnheo|y@cityofpetm|unoa.orQ>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@ci1yofpeta|uma.orK>; King, Dave<dkin&@ci1yofpeta|umaorQ>; McDonnell, Kevin
<knocdonne||@cityofoeta|unoa.orB>; Miller, Kathy <knni||er@cityofpetal unna.or8>; inho@sovevvaterstreetinfo
Subject: Say NOtoTubs onWater Street
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve ^A Fine Do|anoe^for installation
onWater Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the
contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This has been
demonstrated by the Angus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media,
all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's
a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a
permanent change to it. I think the general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is
public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, K would have made the most sense for
the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of Water Street, hold a few public
workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that, Then
we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage in dialogue or discuss
alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town
should not he making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see
public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
Sincerely,
145
From: Debbie <debbiegriffin@sunicoet>
Sent: Monday, May G,20193:4OPK4
To: — City Clerk <CityC|erk@d1yofpeta|uma.orQ>; 8arrettTeresa xtbanett@cityofoeta|urna.or8>; Fischer, D'Lynda
xdfischer@cityofpeta|unna.orQ>; Healy, Mike«mhea|y@cityofpe1a|unoa.orO>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@dtyofpeta|uma.or0>;King, Dave xdkin8@cityofpetm|unna.or&>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonne||@dtyofpeta|uma.or8x; Miller, Kathy<kmi||er@dtyofpeta|uma.nrg>; info@savowaterstreet.info
Subject: No Tubs on Water Street
The City Council hired each of the members of PPAC and we voted the Council in. They
are to represent the people's wishes and PPAC has standards outlined on the City's
website Chapter 18 stating that public art is to enhance enjoyment, be on approved
public or private space clearly visible from public's right of way, and is to include having
art in keeping with our town and its historical significance for the people of Petaluma.
There are not only significant safety concerns but in addition, from various vantage
points, the bathtubs will obstruct the view of the river, conflict with our historic
architecture, as well as views from many businesses in the old downtown. I think the
alternative of having it placed elsewhere makes sense for everyone. There has been
many suggestions for various other locations that would be better suited for the public.
We cannot move the old downtown's location; however, we can change the location of
the bathtubs where they would not present any risks for people, be subject to the
likelihood of vandalism, or interfere with other art shows or activities Water Street is now
enjoying. Bicycles, pedestrians, and local businesses could continue to enjoy the
natural beauty and irreplaceable ambiance of our unique and quaint downtown.
•FUIP'ner 7irm
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 1212 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: Tubs on Water Street
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We are adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25 ft tat( stilts in the core of our
downtown on Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Ptan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown. These tubs
will be interjected into severat iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see a tal.l.
drunken tub overlaying the view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It
does not enhance our downtown or add a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
IMEM
From: John McNeill <rovingjohn@sonic.net>
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 11:35 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.or
Cc: info@SaveWaterStreet.info
Subject: Appeal by Save Water Street
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Dear
337 Pleasant Street
Petaluma, CA 94952-2646
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From: Steve Schramm <reejsafari ahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 6:13 PM
To: -- City Clerk < it qLqjrk_@gjt Qf__ELt_alLr_na.crg>; Barrett,Teresa <tb_rr_e—tt_@cp a I LLm_a. _r >;
Fischer, D'Lynda <dfischeL@giypagtaluLg_og>; Healy, Mike <mhpal cftyc2fpetglurD , r Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney(_@cityofpetaluma.org>- King, Dave <d�(ina)c�itof e�taluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<krncdon ngll CcLftityqfpeta1 Lima org>- Miller, Kathy
<kmille-@_git of etalurnaaor >; j!2f2saveaterstreet.info
Subject: Letter opposing the location of the Fine Balance Art Installation
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I cut and pasted this format letter opposing the location of the "Fine Balance" art
installation from the Savewaterstreet website. The letter captures my opinion more
or less. I don't care for this installation at this location.
Many of us have come to appreciate the complexities involved in choosing a first ever
public art project for the Petaluma downtown area. Although we are strongly
opposed to the proposed location for "A Fine Balance," we greatly appreciate the
time and effort the PPAC has invested with the goat of enriching our town. We very
much want to see Public Art succeed in Petaluma and accomplish its goals. In this
spirit, we are asking you to relocate Fine Balance to an alternative location.
Most of the controversy and opposition to "A Fine Balance" centers on it being ill -
suited for the Water St location. Please consider alternative locations for "A Fine
Balance" and involve the public in this discussion. Please conduct a facilitated
visioning process with the community to arrive at a positive, publicly -supported plan
for the Water St Plaza.
This path forward would recognize community concerns and engagement, and also
give the PPAC more specific input for a future public art installation at the Water St
location.
Thank you for considering this request.
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Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 8:36 AM
Tft: Teresa Varrittt <teresa,�,*Ieta I Y ma CA c,# mcast. net>
Subject:
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As a 42 year resident of Petaluma and having written several letter to you all, I am compelled to
write again, in the hopes that you aR really care about upholding the job you were elected to
do ... Serve the people of this community. I received on 2 responses for past letters. I hope the
letter written about the appeals will not fall on deaf ears! Even though this is a "form" letter,
perhaps if you read each and every one, anyway, you will understand the gravity of this situation
facing our town. I am self supporting artist of 45 years. It is my opinion that many members of th
PPAC do not have the art background, to take on the profound responsibility of choosing public a
for our city. They have turned their backs on thousands of people who do not want the tubs on t
Water Street location. I
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine
Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek
another location for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown.
This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by
the 1000's of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know
supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that
good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent
change to it. I think the general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our
downtown. This is public money after all.
202
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#nce it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have
made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened
awareness of Water Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the public would like to
cee happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that. Then we could have all moved
forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to
trigage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hand-,
alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a decision of this
magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public art
aucceed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
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707 762-1165
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To: 8arrett,Teresa<tbarre1 @|uma.orQ>; Fischer, B'Lynda<dfbmher@c |unoa.orQ>;
Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave
<dking@cityofoeta!uma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin<kmcdonne||@dtyofpetziuma.org>; Miller, Kathy
<kmU|er@cityofpeto|uma.org>; info@savevvatmotreeLinfo
Co — City Clerk <C|1yClerk@cityofpetal umaorg>
Subject: Water Street Public Art
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DearMayor and Council,
Bathtubs are not appropriate for the Water Street location. Petaluma has a historic downtown and this
piece makes a mockery of our beloved downtown and does nothing to enhance Water Street.
Why, when so many citizens have expressed dislike of the placement of this piece of structure, has the
art committee pushed it through? What is the purpose of public input if it is ignored? Has this structure
been through the historic and cultural committee for review?
It appears that the art fund money is set aside with either very little or no planning astohow this art
money should be spent and so we have this problem because it does not have a well thought out,
cohesivedesignforourtovvn.|ur8ethecounci|toprmvidesomeguidanoeandperhapsreviewhow"art"
is1mbeplaced inour town,
Jennifer Wheeler
From: Maria Perez <Imvperez@gmaii.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 4:43 AM
To: Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityof petal u ma.org>; -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: NO more TUBS
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See attached
We are adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft tall. stilts in
the core of our downtown on Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the
downtown. These tubs will be interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down
Western Avenue one would see a taR drunken tub overlaying the view of the river and the
foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It does not enhance our downtown or adis'
a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or
cancel the contract.
MEM
VATMEMORAMETUTS =-
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From: Erin Simmeth <esimmeth@gmaii.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 8:23 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>; info@savewaterstreet.info
Subject: Save Water Street -- Move the Tubs!
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
We are adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft tall stilts in the core of our
downtown on Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown. These tubs
will be interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see a tall
drunken tub overlaying the view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It
does not enhance our downtown or add a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another Location for the piece or cancel the
contract.
Sincerely,
Erin Simmeth and Andrew Goodgame
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 9:15 AM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.or
Subject: Bath tubs- Ridiculous!
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine Ba|anme^ for installation
onWater Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the
contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This has been
demonstrated bythe Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media,
all opposing this change toour historic downtown, Iknow supporters ofthe piece have said this amount ofuproar proves it's
e great piece ofart and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a
permanent change to it. I think the general public should have more of say on what is installed in our downtown. This is
public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have made the most sense for
the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of Water Street, hold a few public
workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that. Then
we could have all moved forward together to implement shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage in dialogue or discuss
alternatives believing the future ofWater Street was in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town
should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many ofuswant tusee
public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find another location for Fine Balance.
Sincerely,
6taceyLisker
Petaluma Resident
Sent: Sunday, May 5i28199:36AM
To: — City Clerk <CityC|erk@citvo[oeto|urna.orgx; BarrettTeresa <tbarrett@cityofoeta|urna.orgx; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@ciLyofoeta|urna.org>;King, Dave xdking@cityofoeta|urna.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<krncdonne|!@cityofpeta|unna.org>; Miller, Kathy<knni|!er@cityofpeta|unna.orQ>; info@savevvateotreet.info
Subject: 0oTubs
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
As a long time citizen and former business owner along Water Street here in Petaluma, I do urge you to reje'
#lacement of these Tubs along our beautiful Petaluma River. 'I
These Tubs fall far outside any Historic guidelines meant to grace and enhance our beautiful City. We have a worthy
trestle, that once restored, will be a timeless treasure and a solid visual accent for our Downtown, let's put some dollars
there. Also, the time accrued in this scuffle has allowed for tallies in the PD, Argus, Next -door, and word of mouth - and
all appear to be soundly against the Tubs being plopped down on such a central visual POV. I would not object to these
Tubs in a more playful location.
the Arts Council seemed like a bunch of stubborn kids who would not have their authority challenged, damn the
consequences. In this case, the consequences being substandard and laughable public art. I
ARMTSMIMM
From: jcsko|n|k@oomcastoet<jcmko|nik@ormcastoet>
Sent: Sunday, May 5,2OI9 9:26PM
To: — City Clerk <CityC|erk@d1vVfoeta|unoa.mrg>; Barre1tTeresa <tbarnett@cityofpetal umanrg>;
Fischer, D'Lynda <dfiacher@cityofpetal uma.mrg>; Healy, &4ike<mhea|y@d1yofpeta|unma.orQ>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney@ci1yofne1a|uma.or0>,-King, Dave <dkin8@dtyofpeta|umaorg>,- McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonneU@cityofpeta|uma.org>;Miller, Kathy <knoiUer@dtvofpeta|uma.Vr8>
Cc:infm@savewaterstreetjnfo
Subject: Opposition to the installation of A Fine Balance at Water Street
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I am writing to ask that you act to prevent the 5 Bathtub S1[VC1UFeS from being placed On
Water Street in our downtown. There are rU@Dy reasons this project should not go forward
will listiust a few of them here:
l The structures will have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the area and the downtown
I The Dadaist art installation will adversely impact the historical significance of the downtown
3. The installations are inconsistent with Petaluma's planning policies and overlay zones
4. The environmental issues of lighting on the surrounding area, bird nesting, bird droppings,
Mosquito larvae hatching in the one inch of water that will collect at the top of the sealed tubs
have not been addressed bythe artist orthe PPACorthe city
5. The attractive nuisance aspect of these tubs and the climb -ability of the 20 poles has not been
analyzed byengineers
G. Graffiti prevention has not been addressed
7. Ongoing maintenance by the city to prevent them from becoming even more of an eyesore has
not been defined,
For all Qfthe above issues 8n[IR should have beeOdoOe.K]ot only was anEIRnot done but
these legitimate CVAc2[DS were lightly brushed over if they were acknowledged 81 all, by the
committee, the artist and city staff.
These structures are not suited to our downtown. Please direct them to be placed elsewhere
O[cancel the contract with the artist.
This letter, in support of the Appeal lodged by Save WaterStreet, is also a plea to you to fulfill
the Leadership responsibility you accepted on being elected by the citizenry. The rationale for
this Appeal has been well and thoroughly stated by legions of others, so I will not repeat those
Pgain, but only note that I agree with most.
When you accepted this leadership role, I am sure you anticipated that the day would come
when you would have to deal with making difficult decisions, and possible some that might not
produce peaceful accord among your fellow citizens. This issue is clearly one of that nature.
The town is seriously split on the currently planned action, to the point of implied litigation. You
are faced with an agency, of your making, which has failed to adequately act to resolve that
division and unfortunately therefore placed the issue in your hands, rather than do theirjob.
The options available are not promising.
Some would have you do nothing, simply endorsing the position held by your renegade
agency, and allowing the project to go forward. No matter how you deliberated or tried to
rationalize such a decision, it would be taken as a direct slap in the face of those who invested
serious time and effort in lodging this appeal, and likely result in even more dispute.
The last option was presented as an olive branch of sorts some time ago, by those who hop
to discover a compromise that satisfied all, but probably made few happy. That suggested is
to simply find a more suitable location for the work contracted. In that manner, there is no
critique of the art itself, and the work of the agency is accepted in that part specifically
Pddressing art. Supporters of the project get a partial win, as do opponents in relocation fron]
the historic district.
Difference of opinion will still exist, of course, but in a way that will allow them to co -exist in
some degree of grudging acceptance.
You have the opportunity to exercise leadership by finding a way for our citizens to return to
harmony and yet retain their diversity without rancor. If you will truly lead, that is the goal you
must fulfill.
+1 707.974.1708
W Ida 9�4��
15-92
From: Josh Burg <joshburg@berke|ey.edu>
Sent: Sunday, May 5,2Ul922:00AM
To: Barre1t,Tenesa<tbarrett@dtynfpeta|umo.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda<d#scher@c|tyofpeta|umaorg>;
Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkea rney@cityof petal u ma.org>; King, Dave
<dking@cityofpetaluma.org>,- McDonnell, Kevin <kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy
<kmi||er@citymfpeta|uma.org>,- — City Clerk <CityClerk@dtyofpetal unna.org>
Cc:info@savevvaterstreet.info
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Dear Mayor and Council Members,
Many of us have come to appreciate the complexities involved in choosing a first ever public art project
for the Petaluma downtown area. Although we are strongly opposed to the proposed location for "A
Fine Balance," we greatly appreciate the time and effort the PPAC has invested with the goal of
enriching our town. We very much want to see Public Art succeed in Petaluma and accomplish its goals.
In this spirit, we are asking you to relocate Fine Balance to an alternative location,
Most of the controversy and opposition to the "A Fine Balance" centers on it being ill -suited for the
VVaterSt|ocation.P|easeconsidera|ternative|ouadnnsfor"AFineBa|ance"andinvo|methepub|icin
this discussion. Please conduct a facilitated visioning process with the community to arrive at a positive,
publicly -supported plan for the Water StPlaza,
This path forward would recognize community concerns and engagement, and also give the PPAC more
specific input for a future public art installation at the Water St location.
Thank you for considering this request.
{}namore personal note, asacollege student mtUCBerkeley, I often bring friends toour amazing town
to visit. Whenever I share with them this proposed art installation, they laugh. I can assure you, my
peers are laughing at us over this proposed installation. Do we really want the highly educated young
people of the bay area laughing at our town over a proposed art installation that has massive public
opposition? I've lived inPetaluma myentire life and know that vve are better than bathtubs onstilts! |
can only hope, asmyelected representatives, that you choose tmuplift the voices mfyour
constituents,
Sincerely,
Josh Burg
Proud, lifelong resident of Petaluma
Joshua R. Burg
U�LPhi|osophv
College ofLetters and Science
University ofCalifornia Berkeley, Class of2020
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 12:45 PM
To: Barrett,Teresa <tba rrett@cityof petal u ma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda <df ischer@cityof petal uma.org>;
Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkea rney@cityof petal uma org>; King, Dave
<dking@cityofpetaluma.org>,- McDonnell, Kevin <kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy
<kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>
Cc: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityof petal uma org>
Subject: Petaluma Homeowner Opposed to Water Street Art Project
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As an active, voting Petaluma homeowner, I would like to voice my
strong opposition to the Water Street bathtub art installation.
My concerns are manifold, beginning with the fact that the art and
artist have absolutely nothing to do with Petaluma and that any art
installation should first seek to expend those dollars within our
community, supporting a local artist who is far more likely to reinfuse
My opposition also extends to factors such as the steep cost, the
modification of a deeply historic local area as well as a lack of concerted
and genuine request for community involvement in the process, from
Beyond these concerns, I also share the same reservations as many of
my fellow neighbors as to why this project should not go forward,
including my feelings that:
1. The style of the art is inconsistent with Petaluma in almost every way
;nd has nothing to do with our past, present, or future as a town.
2. The installation will only serve to minimize and degrade our
downtown aesthetic.
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3. These structures do not align with Petaluma's planning and zoning
policies.
4. There is no plan in place addressing the durability and maintenance
of these structures®
5. The health and safety has not been addressed from the climb -ability
to the water collection based on this specific design - creating liabilities
such as potential injury lawsuits to stagnant water and deleterious
collecting in elevated plastic tubs that could harm shore birds for
6. The overall potential environmental impact has not been addressed
in any responsible way aside from dismissive statements.
It is incumbent on the council to address the handling of this project
and remedy the situation in a manner that is aligned with the vast
majority of residents and businesses that comprise our community, not
a small, unrepresentative subset who have a strong attachment to this
art, artist, and project for whatever reason - no matter how vocal they
I hope the council acknowledges the the heretofore largely silent, yet
strong majority community opposition to this installation moving
forward.
These structures are simply unsuited for our downtown, and, quite
possibly, our entire city.
Barbara
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Frnrn:Andrea <Me|d|y94954@yahoo.conn>
Sent: Sunday, May 5,2O19lQ:56AKA
To: — City Clerk <City[|erk@dtyufpeta|unoaor8>
Subject: XFine balance
Please do not install the tubs in this location, and I would honestly prefer not at all in Petaluma, as there are many
reasons which have been presented to you.
By not listening to our requests I feel that you are not representing the community as our elected official.
Bncereky,
Andrea Bryce RN
(707)765'0579
From: Gregory Drake <greo rake 1@yahcm.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5,20191l:3BAM
To: Barrett,Teresa <tbarret@dtvofoeta|unnaorg>; Fischer, D'Lynda<dfischer@citvofueta|unnaorg>; Healy, Mike
<nnhea|y@dLyofpetal unna.or8>;Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@c|tyofoeta|unna.org>;King, Dave
<dkin8@ciLyofpeta|unna.orK>; McDonnell, Kevin<kmcdonne||@cityofpeta|unna.or8>; Miller, Kathy
<knni||er@cityofpeta|unoa.or8»
Cc: — City Clerk <Oty[|erk@cityofpeta|unna.org>
Subject: Petaluma Homeowner Opposed toWater Street Art Project
Dear Mayor Barrett and Petaluma City Council Members,
As an active, voting Petaluma homeowner, I would like to voice my strong
opposition to the Water Street bathtub art installation.
My concerns are manifold, beginning with the fact that the art and artist
have absolutely nothing to do with Petaluma and that any art installation
should first seek to expend those dollars within our community, supporting a
local artist who is far more likely to reinfuse those dollars back into our local
My opposition also extends to factors such as the steep cost, the
modification of a deeply historic local area as well as a lack of concerted
and genuine request for community involvement in the process, from
initiation to potential installation.
Beyond these concerns, I also share the same reservations as many of m
fellow neighbors as to why this project should not go forward, including m
feelings that: I
1. The style of the art is inconsistent with Petaluma in almost every way an,4
has nothing to do with our past, present, or future as a town.
2. The installation will only serve to minimize and degrade our downtown
aesthetic.
3. These structures do not align with Petaluma's planning and zoning
policies.
4. There is no plan in place addressing the durability and maintenance of
tk,ese structures.
5. The health and safety has not been addressed from the climb -ability to
the water collection based on this specific design - creating liabilities such
as potential injury lawsuits to stagnant water and deleterious collecting in
elevated plastic tubs that could harm shore birds for example.
6. The overall potential environmental impact has not been addressed in
any responsible way aside from dismissive statements.
It is incumbent on the council to address the handling of this project and
remedy the situation in a manner that is aligned with the vast majority of
residents and businesses that comprise our community, not a small,
unrepresentative subset who have a strong attachment to this art, artist, an
project for whatever reason - no matter how vocal they are or how strong
their passion may be in this regard. I
I hope the council acknowledges the the heretofore largely silent, yet strong
majority community opposition to this installation moving forward.
These structures are simply unsuited for our downtown, and, quite possibly,
our entire city.
NEMi .11 IUM Mlff AM IWSM
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Fronn:Jennifer|so|a <1ROAD|E@yahoo.conn>
Sent: Saturday, May 4`2O19O:OOAM
To: — City Clerk <O1v[|erk@cituofpetal unnaorg>
I strongly oppose "The Fine Balance" art project proposed for the downtown area. It is not representative of our town
nor does it seem safe, appealing or necessary. We have beautiful painted art on the walls of buildings, some creative
statues, and incredible metal structures off of Washington street that enhance our city. The thought of these huge
bathtub structures in one of our most populated tourist areas comes as such an embarrassing and intrusive idea and I
only hope you would reconsider a different form of art or remove the plan altogether.
From: Lynn Fado<Iynnfazio@kmnfazio.00nn>
Sent: Saturday, May 4,20189:57AM
To: — City Clerk <C|tyOerk@ci1yofpetal urna.org>; 8arret ,Teresa<tbarre1L@dtyofpetaiunna.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@dtyofpetal unoa.uq8>; Healy, Mike <nohea!y@d1yofpeta|unnaorg>;Qkearny@cityofpeta|unna.org; King, Dave
«dkin0@dtyofpeta|unna.or8>; McDonnell, Kevin <knncdonne||@cityofpeta|unna.orG>; Miller, Kathy
<knni||er@cityofpeta|unna.oqJx
Cc:info@savevvatersLreet.|nfo
Although this letter borrows a template that others may use, do not misunderstand the duplication. I am passionately
opposed to the Fine Balance project being installed on Water Street and have written several letters to this body and
city attorney (albeit prior to the elections.) Please enter this into the public record in support of the Save Water Streel
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine Balance" for
installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or
terminate the contract altogether. I personally believe that this piece would work well in another, more open location
where the scale of its footprint and vertical consumption would enhance but not dominate the setting.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This has been
demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social
media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of
uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal
space and apermanent change tmit. I think the general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our
downtown. This is public money after all.
workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of th
Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision. I
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage in dialogue or
discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four
people in town should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community
identity. Many of us want to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is left out of it.
536 Laurel Street
170
• Lori Ayre <Ioriayre@gmaii.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 10:08 AM
To: Miller Kathk, <kmiIIer@citW_fvetaIuma.org2�-
Cc: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
• Cancel contract for A Fine Balance
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Please consider the attached letter opposing the installation of A Fine Balance. I urge
you to uphold the appeal of the decision to go forward with its installation.
I hereby request that you enter the attached letter into the public record for the SWS
appeal.
flmm��
15-102
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•
Please i• not •a forward with this crazy bathtub • It makes no sense in our little farm
town. I urge you to uphold the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A
Fine Balance" for installation on Water Street and direct the PPAC to terminate the contract.
It doesn't belong on our sweet (but un-dredged) river and it doesn't realty belong anywhere
else either.
The opposition to this piece has •-- broad and vocal as demonstrated • the Argus •
survey, by 4000 signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, all
opposing this change to • • downtown. And yet, despite the widespread opposition,
the • was Left to six people and even then the vote was far from unanimous, 4-2 in favor
of the abomination. I wouldn't want to be one of those four people at this point!
I'm all for public art, • how .•• art that doesn't just make you think (or in the case of
the tubs, it just makes you scratch my head). Public art should also makes us connect to our
community and maybe even generate an emotionally •i response.
Please uphold the appeal and direct the PPAC to find cancel the installation of Fine Balance
and if that isn't possible, to please move it somewhere else.
ME=
15-103
From: Bob Canning <TheWriteG uy@ comcast. net>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 6:51 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@ cityof petal uma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<df ischer@ cityof petal u ma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <d ki ng@cityof petal uma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdon nel I@ cityof petal u ma.org>; info@savewaterstreet.info
Subject: NO STUPID TUBSM
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For the love of God, you people need to have your eyes and heads examined! At
least 95% of the population of Petaluma HATE the atrocious and ridiculous tubs on
stilts, and don't want them on Water Street. I sure don't. We have frequent guests
_r
trom out of town — and out of the country. Do you know how embarrassing it
would be to have them see those ugly things?
I understand you are open to suggestions for putting elsewhere. As we all know,
Steamboat Landing is more or less an ugly and dumpy wasteland and could use
something, even these things, to make it somewhat interesting. How about there?
Bob Canning
(707) 781-3236
15-104
From: Edward Heinz
Sent: Saturday, May 4,2O19G:51PKX
To: —CityOerk
Subject: "Tubs"
Dear Mayor and City Council,
Iamwhtingyouinsupportoftheappea|ofthePub|icArtCummittee'sdecisiontoapprove^ARneBa|ance^
for installation onWater Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPACtoseek another location for
the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This has
been demonstrated bythe Apgus Courier survey, by4O0U signatures on petitions, and by the 1000's of
comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown. I know supporters of the
piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to
provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the general
public should have more of say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after all.
Once itwas apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would have made the
most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of Water
Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the public would like to see happen there, and then see
how public art could be part of that. Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shaped
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage in
dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their hands alone. This was a4-
Z vote on PPAC Four people in town should not be making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is
key to our community identity. Many of us want to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public
isleft out ofit.
Sincerely, EdHeinz
I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to. approl
"A Fine Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct th-
j�,PAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures on
petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our
historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar proves it's
a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I disagree. This is a
communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the genera[ public should have more
of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is public money after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it would
have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the
heightened awareness of Water Street, hold a few public workshops to find out what the
public would like to see happen there, and then see how public art could be part of that.
Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared vision.
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused
to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street was in their
hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be making a
decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity. Many of us want
to see public art succeed in Petaluma but not if the public is Left out of it.
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15-106
From: Dane Cook'aka'Thonnpson<bartondane0Dhotrnaiicorn>
Sent: Saturday, May 4,2D197:23PIVI
To: — City Clerk <CityOerk@dtyofoeta|unna.org>
Subject: NnTubs onWater St.
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From: ROGER MANNING <roger.ja ne@comcast. net>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:02 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmil ler@cityof petal u ma.org>; info@savewaterstreet.info; Healy,
Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: Waterstreet Tubs
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Please see the attached letter re the proposed Water Street art project.
ROGER AND JANE MANNING
10 IVERSON WAY
PETALUMA, CA. 94952
We are adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft taR stitts in
the core of our downtown on Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the
downtown. These tubs will be interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down
Western Avenue • would see a tat[ • tub overlaying the view of the river and the
foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It •t' not enhance • downtown • add
a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or
cancel the contract.
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15-109
From: Jim Kudroff <|nsanecannperdod@yahoo.conn>
Sent: Saturday, May 4,2O198:4IPK4
To: — City Clerk x[ityOerk@cityofneta|unna.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@dtyofpeta|unnaorg>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<knocdonne||@dtyofpeto|unna.or8>; Miller, Kathy <krni||er@cityofpetal uma.or8>; infu@savevvaterstreet.infu; Jim
KudrofT<insanecanoperdad@yahoo.cnno>
Subject: Notothe Bathtubs on stilts
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TIlmy opinion the Bathtubs on stilts will }}e aEye sore and aDlaCe for the birds to roost
and Poop all over the walkway.
TCan not think Qf8place they should be relocated because Ofthe maintenance of keeping
the area below the tubs clean.
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From: Margaret Hansen <hansenresource@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:58 PM
To: Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma.org>; -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityof petal u ma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>; info@savewaterstreet.info
Subject: A BIG NO on TUBS
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
I am adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft tall stilts in the core of our
downtown on Water Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown.
Coming down Western Avenue one would see an inappropriate and non -Petaluma -related eyesore
influencing the open view of the river and the foot bridge.
This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It does not enhance our downtown or add a missing dimension. It
brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
It is NOT whimsical, art!
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or cancel the
contract.
Sincerely,
Margo Hansen
1409 Lauren Drive Petaluma
15-111
From: Donna Goldberg <nnungoskee@oonncast.neL>
Sent: Saturday, May 4,2O191O:2JPM
To: — City Clerk <CiLyOerk@dtyofpeta|unnaorg>; BarretL,Teresa <tbarret @dtyofpeta|uma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@dtyofpeta|uma.org>; Healy, &1ike<nnhea|y@dtyofoeta|unoa.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<8kearney@dtyofpetal unno.or8>;King, Dave <dking@dtyofpeta|urna.or8>; McDonnell, Kevin
<knncdonneU@dtyofpeta|unna.org>; Miller, Kathy <knoi||er@dtyofpetal unna.mr8>; info@sovevvatuotreednfo
Subject: Bathtubs
Please reconsider the bathtub art planned for Water Street. I don't believe the structures are representative of
Petaluma. Chickens, cows, agriculture, schooners are symbolic but I can't imagine trying to explain to visitors the
connection of tubs to our city. I wonder about the "attractive nuisance" of the installation. How do we keep people
from climbing on or worse, falling off? And if we must have the tubs, do they need to be in our historic downtown? Is
there any other place that would be more appropriate to install them?
From: Vicki Cerinct <wanderbirdl@me.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 4:57 PM
Subject: Tubs
We are adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25fttaU stilts in the core ofour downtown
on Water Street.
interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see a tall drunken tub
overlaying the view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It does not enhance our
downtown or add a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or cancel the contract.
Sincerely,
Mr. and Ms. Art Lovers
Vicki and Ray
Sent from noyiPad
From: Marty Woodfin <mwoodf@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 6:26 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: Art display
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Dear Mayor and City Council,
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown. These tubs will be
interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see a tall drunken tub
overlaying the view ofthe river and the foot bridge. This isunnecessary and unacceptable. |tdoes not enhance our
downtown oradd amissing dimension. |tbrings inclutter and asense ofmockery.
From: Patrick Kleeman <pkIeeman@gmaiI.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 6:45 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma.org>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityof petal u ma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdon nel I @cityof petal u ma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: Art in the City
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Dear Mayor and City Council.,
I enjoy seeing publicly supported art in cities, it can bring character and life to places that might lack
it. However, I am adamantly opposed to erecting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ft tall stilts in the
core of our downtown on Water Street. This art installation will not enhance this already lovely, historic
part of town, it will mar it.
The Central PetaLuma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown. These tubs
wiLL •` interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one wouLd see a talL
drunken tub overlaying the view of the river and the foot bridge. This is unnecessary and unacceptable. It
does not enhance our downtown or add a missing dimension. It brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or cancel the
contract.
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15-115
From: Jess Cenica <jcenica@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 6:42 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma,org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma,org>;
Fischer, D'Lynda <dfischer@cityof petal uma,org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>,- King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>,- McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>;
I nf o @savewate rstreet. info
Subject: Bathtubs
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I am writing to you to voice my strong objection to the installation of the 5 art structures
called "A Fine Balance" on Water Street. The installation is in direct conflict with many of
the guidelines of the Central Petaluma Specific Plan (CPSP) and this has not been reconciled
by the PPAC or city staff.
The CPSP sets forth a variety of planning objectives that govern deveLopment within the
central. area of the city. This pLan caLLs generaLly for creation of open spaces, preservation of
the riverfront, preservation of vistas and view corridors, preservation of gathering spaces
around the turning basin and the objective of fostering development that enhances the area
for pedestrians and cyclists. One can just imagine stroll,ing down Western Avenue towards tht
river and having the view of the turning basin and the Balshaw Bridge cLuttered with a 25ft
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Neither City staff nor the artist has provided any sort of formal assessment or analysis of the
fit between the structures proposed for this Location, and the objectives of the CPSP.
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15-116
From: Danny= <archibald.design@grnail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 7:10 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpetaluma,org>;
Fischer, D'Lynda <dfischer@cityofpetaluma,org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>,- King, Dave <d king@cityof petal uma.org>,- McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdonnell@cityofpetaluma.org>; Miller, Kathy <kmiller@cityofpetaluma.org>,-
i nf is @ savewate rstreet. i nf o
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Dear Mayor and Council Members,
Many of us have come to appreciate the complexities involved in choosing a first ever public art project
for the Petaluma downtown area. Although we are strongly opposed to the proposed location for "A Fine
Balance," we greatly appreciate the time and effort the PPAC has invested with the goal of enriching our
town. We very much want to see Public Art succeed in Petaluma and accomplish its goals. In this spirit,
we are asking you to relocate Fine Balance to an alternative location.
Most of the controversy and opposition to the "A Fine Balance" centers on it being ill -suited for the
Water St location, Please consider alternative locations for "A Fine Balance" and involve the public in
this discussion. Please conduct a facilitated visioning process with the community to arrive at a positive,
publicly -supported plan for the Water St Plaza.
This path forward would recognize community concerns and engagement, and also give the PPAC more
specific input for a future public art installation at the Water St location.
Thank you for considering this request.
Sincerely,
Danny Archibald
15-117
From: Daniella Caveney <daniellaxavene mai com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 11:40 AM
To: -- City Clerk <ai yQerk@ ityof 2�talurn�j�or >
cites _
Cc: Lnfp_@sqvtwaterstreet.info
Subject: Please uphold appeal of "A Fine Balance"
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I am writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to
approve "A Fine Balance" for installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and
direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or terminate the contract
attogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our
downtown. This has been demonstrated by the Argus Courier survey, by 4000 signatures
on petitions, and by the 1000's of comments on social media, all opposing this change to
our historic downtown. I know supporters of the piece have said this amount of uproar
proves it's a great piece of art and that good art is supposed to provoke reactions. I
disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent change to it. I think the general
public shouI have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown. This is pubtic
money after al[L
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, it
would have made the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advanta
of the heightened awareness of Water Street, ho[d a few pubtic workshops to find out
what the public would tike to see happen there, and then see how public art could be
part of that. Then we could have all moved forward together to implement a shared
vision. I
Instead the committee went for the win/tose scenario. They stonewalled the public,
refused to engage in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future of Water Street
was in their hands alone. This was a 4-2 vote on PPAC. Four people in town should not be
making a decision of this magnitude on an area that is key to our community identity.
Many of us want to see public art succeed in Petatuma but not if the public is left out of
it.
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From: Julia Dodge <juliedodge@me.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:25 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.or
Cc: info@SaveWaterStreet.info I
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15-119
----- Original Message ---
Fronn:Cheryl GoUa<cgoUa@nnsn.00nnx
Sent: Friday, May 3,2O19Q:37PK4
To: — City Clerk <Oty[|erk@cityofpetal unne.or8»
Subject: Bathtubs opposed
Dear Mayor and City Council,
We are adamantly opposed to enacting 5 plastic Victorian bathtubs on 22 to 25ftto|| stilts in the cone ofour downtown
onWater Street.
The Central Petaluma Specific Plan calls for preserving view corridors throughout the downtown, These tubs will be
interjected into several iconic view corridors. Coming down Western Avenue one would see a tall drunken tub
overlaying the view ofthe river and the foot bridge. This isunnecessary and unacceptable. |1does not enhance our
downtown or add a missing dimension. it brings in clutter and a sense of mockery.
Please uphold the appeals and direct the committee to find another location for the piece or cancel the contract.
Respectfully
Cheryl GoIja
From: Elaine <ew0220@sonic.net>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 9:06 PM
Cc: info@SaveWaterStreet.info
Please enter the following statement into the public record for the SVVS appeal, and also please bring itLVthe attention
of the members of the Petaluma City Council.
I am hereby writing you in support of the appeal of the Public Art Committee's decision to approve "A Fine Balance" for
installation on Water Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPAC to seek another location for the piece or
terminate the contract altogether.
717 N. McDowell Blvd., #307
Petaluma CA 94954-1429
From: Steve Gilford<sagepnod@aya.ya|e.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 3,2O199:31PM
To: — City Clerk <OtyC|erk@cityofpete|urnaorg>; Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@citynfpeta|unna.urg>; Fischer, D'Lvnda
<dfischer@cityofpetaluma.org>; Healy, Mike <mhealy@cityofpetaluma.org>; Kearney, Gabe
<gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityofpetaluma.org>; McDonnell, Kevin
<krncdonne||@cityofpeta|unna.org>; Miller, Kathy<knni||er@dtyofpeta|un)a.org>
Subject: Riverfron1Bathtubs
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In addition to my belief that the bathtub project is derivative and inappropriate as well as having been
,,esigned originally for another site, I believe that stretch of pavement is used to make deliveries to tK%
businesses there.
0 MON's FITHER NMI
107 Edith St, Petaluma, CA 94952
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 6:25 PM
To: Barrett,Teresa <tba rrett@cityof petal u ma.org>
Cc: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>; info@SaveWaterStreet.info
Subject: A FINE BALANCE
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SYSTEM.---
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From: Andrea ShUen
Sent: Friday, May 3i201912:QGPKA
To: McDonnell, Kevin
Cc: —CdyC|ark
Subject: Tubs/Water St
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|amwriting you insupport ofthe appeal ofthe Public Art Committee's decision bzapprove °AFine
Ba|ance"for installation onWater Street. Please uphold this appeal and direct the PPACtoseek another
location for the piece orterminate the contract altogether.
The vast majority of people in Petaluma are opposed to this piece being located in our downtown. This
has been demonstrated bwthe Ar8usCourier survey, bv4ODOsignatures onpetitions, and bvthe 10OO's
of comments on social media, all opposing this change to our historic downtown, | know supporters of
the piece have said this amount ofuproar proves it's agreat piece ofart and that good art issupposed
to provoke reactions. | disagree. This is a communal space and a permanent change to it. | think the
general public should have more of a say on what is installed in our downtown, This ispublic money
after all.
Once it was apparent that there was such extensive opposition to the tubs on stilts, itwould have made
the most sense for the committee to open the process, take advantage of the heightened awareness of
Water Street, hold a few public workshops tofind out what the public would like to see happen there,
and then see how public art could be part of that, Then we could have all moved forward together to
implement shared vision,
Instead the committee went for the win/lose scenario. They stonewalled the public, refused to engage
in dialogue or discuss alternatives believing the future ofWater Street was in their hands alone. This
was a4-2vote onPPAC.Four people intown should not bemaking adecision ofthis magnitude onan
area that iskey tuour community identity. Many ofuswant tosee public art succeed inPetaluma but
not ifthe public isleft out ofit.
Filutiolmffl=
From: Marsha Calhoun «marsha_ca!houn@yehmm.conn>
Sent: Friday, K4ay3,2O19G:43PK�
To: — City Clerk <CityC|erk@cityofueta|uma.org>,- Barrett,Teresa <tbarrett@cityofpete|urna.org>,-
Fischer, D'Lynda<dfischer@cityofpetal uma.org>- Healy, Mike<mhea|y@citymfpeta|uma.org>; Kearney,
Gabe <gkearney@cityofpetaluma.org>; King, Dave <dking@cityof petal uma.cl McDonnell, Kevin
<kmcdunne||@cityofpeta|uma.orQ>,- Miller, Kathy<hmi||er@cityofpeta|uma.or0>;
infu@savevvateratreet.info
Subject: Please support the appeal of the PPAC decision to approve "A Fine Balance" to be installed on
Water Street
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I
Balance" for installation on Water Street.
I truly believe that this installation would be more appropriate at another location, and I understand the the
artist himself does not object to this. At first, I thought that I disliked the work itself, but I now believe that
my strong negative reaction was associated with its placement on Water Street, which I still believe would
create a crowded and oppressive atmosphere on what is now a lovely stretch of our river.
There is a possibility here to create a win -win for all of Petaluma, and to demonstrate the flexibility
necessary to accommodate the needs of a city of our size and diversity. I very strongly encourage you to
take this opportunity to honor both the years of work and good faith that have been put in by members of
the Public Arts Council and the desires and preferences of the rest of the people of Petaluma, whom both
you and the PPAC serve.
It is possible to avoid making a mistake created by a process that has evoked a great deal of ill feeling I
and adjust the process (as they are entitled to do, and encouraged by many to do) to create a positive
and creative outcome such as moving the installation to another location. It would reassure many that the
system, in fact, works.
From: Barbara <barbarap@sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:30 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@cityofpetaluma.org>
Subject: City Council Win -Win Solutions
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City Council Win -Win Solutions
I take issue with the 4/20 Argus article about the recent appeals filed against City Council
decisions. Among them are three appeals filed against the decision to approve the
installation of the public art project, A Fine Balance (AFB)—better known as Tubs on
Stilts —on historic Water Street.
15-126
From: Ralph Haney
Sent: Sunday, April 21,2O198:14PM
To: Pascoe, Samantha
Subject: Re: Submission to Public Records for Save Water Street Appeal to PPAC Decision
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Hello Samantha,
Attached is an additional document we would like to have submitted to public records for the Save Water Street
appeal/hearing to the PPAC Decision, Please let me know if you need any additional information or have any questions.
Ralph Haney
Petaluma, CA
Thank you for submission, Mr. Haney. |thas been accepted, forwarded and will become part ofthe public
record/hearing for this appeal.
Sinceneky,
Samantha
Samantha Pascoe, CMC
Deputy City Clerk
Main7O7.77Q.43GD Direct7UT778.4575
Hours: Mon —ThursQann1o5prn,Closed Fridays
15-127
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By way of this email message I would like to submit the attached document containing relevant public statements by
Petaluma residents regarding the public art project proposed for Water Street. Our group, Save Water Street, has filed
an appeal against the PPAC decision to move forward with installing the "A Fine Balance" art structure at that location.
The attached statements reflect a strong local opposition to this decision and need to be included in our formal appeal.
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statements for the record.
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Ralph Haney
Petaluma, CA
Save Water Street
707-762-1475
Public Comments from a Next Door post started 2/23/19 titled,
"Tubs Relocation Vote - Please Vote!" by Ralph Haney, Petaluma resident
to the PPAC Decision to move forward with A Fine Balance art project
After much debate over the public art project commissioned for the Turning Basin Promenade, one primary
point of contention has become indisputably clear: LOCATION. The majority of opposition is opposed to the
Petaluma Riverwalk location more than the large structures themselves.
It has been suggested that the opposition should provide City Council with suitable alternative locations.
Personally, I believe this is wrong because it places the onus on the innocent to "right a wrong," and is not a
reasonable expectation, and we all know that two wrongs do not make a right.
However, I'm curious to learn what the consensus is on other locations around Petaluma if this art project is
and have received considerable feedback. Granted, they are crude illustrations that may not do justice to both
the structures and the setting. But I do believe they give us a sense of what we could expect. Feel free to write
in other locations as well; I know Steamer Landing Park is a big favorite, but I had no good images to use.
My personal favorite is #8, love the Petacoat Junction whimsy. If we must have these things let's put them where
they belong — NOT onthe Petaluma Riv8rvva|k!
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and comments follow the images below.
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8 SMART Train tracks
#9 Lynch Creek Trail
#10 Steamer Landing Park
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#3 and NOT McNear!
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yard or #3
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#3 - they are so ugly don't put them anyplace except near;a plumbing store.
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3 -1 liked the picture I saw about 8 months ago
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Do we really need to use the word "whimsy"? There was a really offputting guy pushing for the original location that
kept using that, while saying everyone against it didn't understand art, Saying we need whimsy makes me think
people's idea of Petaluma come from Rivertown Revival fliers. I disagree with the artist saying we're like "Norman
Rockwell on acid" because we're more like Norman Rockwell with a northern California spin...
#2
#2 let them look at that junk all day long
Petaluma City Hall
Steamer Landing or #3
#3 is my vote
Cypress Water Treatment Plant #3 .... definitely.
schollenberger park would be a perfect match.
Actually it could be interesting and maybe fun to put them between the tracks so #8 or nowhere.
Petaluma City Hall is my choice
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tubs look like headless cows no matter their resting place.) They should not be deer the river, IMO
##3, #4, ##7, or ##8
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Flow about locating at the factory outlets? Seens the "° stilts" would blend in with building design there.
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Watch out these are not numbered right I pick number 3 because it was for something else but when I hit number
three it comes up as Lucchesi Park I do not want those tubs in Lucchesi hark I wanted them in the water that says
Cypress water or something like that but if you hit number three it comes up Lucchesi Park be careful I° changing
mine till I get it to just say Cypress water..,
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Punkiethey are numbered correctly, please look again. #3 is a view at the water treatment plant; #4 is Luchessi
#3 or 4 Camille Jordan, Upper Mountain View
I like this installation exactly where they are putting it. That's my vote.
I don't think they could go in the water at the water treatment plant. They drain, dredge, cuts reeds, and need to get
in there. Can't do McNear because of baseball. I think Shollenberger would work better with the tubs along the river.
Kinda like City Hall.
#2 City Hall. They can enjoy them without impacting everyone else.
#7 Shollenberger Park, where they can complement the riverside, and act as o welcoming sight to water arrivals ... I
they ever again dredge.
Water treatment plant best choice, very appropriate.
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Why is Steamer Cold Landing not among your list?
##3 or #7. 1 like there in the water. Very tall shore birds.
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Robert. "Feel free to write in ether locations as well; I know Steamer Landing Park is a big favorite but I had no good
images to use."
City hall. Let them enjoy the tubs every day.
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Factory Outlets!
Really?!? Flaw about another city!!!
#4 Lucchesi park
#3 it is! Most appropriate.
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environment during the River Festival, Also the adjacent McNear peninsula property is for sale and is zoned
"recreation". Steamer Park is two acres. It's central and walking distance to bus, trains and downtown parking. It is a
hidden treasure and has no signage, so check a map to find it. There are art parks around the country but not many
that use sheep to chew down the grass! It could be quite the tourist destination. Some long term vision is required,
but I think it's a winning solution for Petaluma- even in the short term. See you next Thursday!
Factory Outlets is the ONLY place I'd choose.
#3 or #8. (Not #6, please)
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Underground , ridiculous..,
Water treatment plant. Tubs need water. I would also be okay with the outlets. They do NOT belong on the river
front!
#1 or #3 - either place would be a good setting. Of course, placing them at the water treatment plant would require
that we first make certain that the wildlife was not negatively impacted.
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#4. The Lucchesi pond would be perfect. No one could possibly climb up them if they were in the middle of it. I'd
hate to see Ellis Creek defiled.
Cypress water Treatment Plant
Steamer Landing or #3
#9 Lynch Creek. Creating the beginnings of a sculpture walk/park with David Best's arch, the tubs, and room for a
dozen other large sculptures.
#3
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art and local artists. Santa Barbara, for example, has invested in the art on sidewalks and walls at the base of
Mission Creek by and celebrating the early Churnash Native Americans who lived in the area. Santa Fe, New
Mexico, for example, has invested in an extraordinary collection of wall -sized murals by Hispanic and Native
American artists that celebrate their cultures' influence on one of the country's centers of art. Why are we supporting
"art" that the vast majority of our neighbors find, simply said, inappropriate? In my view, if the city insists on
continuing with this project, it should first find a location whose residents are comfortable with it. It is my guess that
the city will fail to find such a location. If that is the case, I believe the city should cut whatever losses it can. It can
then offer this project to any other city that may want it. I expect that Petaluma would find no takers. I am not able to
attend the meeting of the Public Art Committee on February 28. In my absence, I request that this communication
be included in the public record. Submitted with respect,
Well stated, Michael. Welcome to Petaluma. I've asked before, "Why divide the community over public art?"
How about nowhere in town. It will suck not matter where it is put or maybe the old Al Sack junk yard.
The roundabout on S Petaluma Blvd?
#3
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Michael S - Bravo! Thank you and your wife for the letter and your heartfelt words. I'm told my comments and letter
published in the Argue are missing also. My position is this: Petaluma has just one small municipal riverside
promenade area called Water Street in the historic downtown. When there are so many other city -owned properties,
why must a large contemporary art structure be shoe -horned into this small beloved historic area, which would
redefine it forever?
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NOT #3, PLEASE! I think many of you may not know that the Cypress Treatment Plant is connected to the best
migratory bird Marsh in Petaluma, and perhaps the County. It is more of a naturalized area, and some dedicated
environmentalists years ago were able to negotiate the treatment plant to assist in the various marshes in Ellis
Creek. I get the idea of having this crappy art near a "crap" processing center, but Cypress/Ellis Creek doesn't need
this eyesore or potential harm to birds. I think #8 with its "Petticoat Junction" resemblance as the SMART train pulls
into Petaluma, would be perfect! I do hope the Council with its newer members, will see that this is an important
issue. Kudos to Ralph for his time and effort on these alternate placement ideas!
I think this is a much better placement. #10
#3 or Steamer Landing Park. Not the riverwalk.
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# 3 however I am not fond of this art project. Bathtubs should be with toilets in bathrooms ! Thank you for reaching
out to the citizens of Petaluma
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The placement of the proposed public art by David Best is perfect. It will enhance, not compete with the environment
and will be seen by people riding the train. Most views of our town from the train are not representative of its beauty
and character- a perfect opportunity to add interest in the form of even controversial art. I think the tubs could be
viewed from the train if placed in steamer landing?
No # 5 and no # 6. In front of the museum no sense because it totally obscures the view of the beautiful building.
Mcnear park they look out of place, awkward in such a setting. They need a large open area that's why the other
options I think I'm much better. Definitely not along the Riverwalk
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#8
#1 or #3
I like #10 as well.
Check out the Art committee resolution approving the final draftplan of the tubs on Water Street. Go to, City of
Petaluma Meetings site, and click on art committee agenda. Their resolution is attachment A. With whereas's and
wherefore's, it represents stubborn resolve to push this through— in defiance of all of the concerns voiced here, and
elsewhere— including the other attachments that followed (comments, opinion pieces, articles, letters from building
dept., Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce etc.) I noticed that they didn't "whereas" that Water Street is NOT in
the National Registered Historic downtown district. Kit Schlich on the Historic Preservation committee stated in her
editor letter, that the group has "no authority" to change the boundary of the district. If they don't, then the Art
committee certainly doesn't. The language of the official historic designation states, the eastern boundary is "the
river". If their resolution is passed by the majority of PPAC members (which I suppose it will be) their decision can
be appealed to the city council within 14 days— which I'm sure it will be. The council can - 1. affirm, 2.affirm in part
(perhaps with a recommendation to relocate)or 3. "reverse the action that is the subject of the appeal." I vote for #2
—the closest thing to a compromise for all involved parties.
The Fairgrounds with all of the other carnival trappings and the speedway where visual and audio pollution abide.
#2, #3,or #8. Better yet it would look good along the driveway to the Dump III
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Fairgrounds road is the best, Luchessi is alright but they would promptly be covered in bird debris ... please dent ruin
Schollenberg with this atrocity. Water treatment is my vote, birds can perch on therm.
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#10 Steamer Landing
#3, but outside the dump on Meacham would be my first choice!
Scrub the tubs. Why do we have to have them at any of the locations
#10 - love the vision of a sculpture/art park, also #1, #8 and Lucchesi, but I would imagine them walking across the
land, more than in the water. Just way too crowded to put all the gawky elements into the intimate space (ground
and sky level) of the Riverwalk.
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#3 the water treatment plant at least relates a little to this "art". Reusing our grey water could be suggested on a
plaque to give purpose to the installation. "Scrub the tubs" in favor of something more meaningful would work best
for me. A Peace Garden relating to our Agrarian and Creative Community with an artful shelter or sculpture that
uses local materials and ideas? Weren't these tubs pitched elsewhere and rejected? Is this being discussed this
Thursday at the meeting?
Ilene Lott- you just voted here (informally). Thank you. No formal public vote has been provided by City Council yet,
but your attendance at the PPAC meeting at City Council chambers Thursday 2/28 will have a more meaningful
impact- http;Hpetal u ma. g ran i cu s, corn/Gen eratedAgendaViewe r. ph p?vi ew—id=31&event—id=43475
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OUR RIVERWALK CANNOT BE REDEFINED BY BATHTUBS ON STILTS, WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS
TRAVESTY TO PROCEED. WWW.SCRUBTHETUBS.COM We'll let this informal voting continue until the PPAC
meeting on 2/28 and present the tally to them for consideration. RELOCATION appears to be the only acceptable
form of compromise to reunite the community over this issue.
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I also love #3, but how about the peninsula where Rivertown Revival is held. Or somewhere where it's even less
likely to be seen.
Cypress Water Treatment Plant.
##10 - no place in Petaluma. I don't understand why putting the the project in a different location in town would be a
compromise. Who is the compromise with? The artist? The council? The people who want it? I already see the tubs
being targets for graffiti and vandalism. Who are we trying to please or compromise with?
Not in favor of these at the water treatment ponds. The ponds are now major bird sanctuary so not sure how this is
possible.You might want to run this suggestion by the Schollenberger folks or the Audubon folks who do bird walks
out there. The city also needs to get into those ponds to clear out the plants so this might not work there. It is also
nice to go out there to see nature not man made structures .
If they have to go somewhere I pick ##2 or Factory Cutlets, but they are so ugly.
I read the January 27 article in the Wail Street Journal "What $150,000 buys in California". Bathtubs on stilts? We
are so stupid there is nothing to compare us to. We are a national laughing stock. That Frisco "artist" has the
ultimate scam going on this bunch of Petaluma rubes.
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500-MECHAM RD! That's where they belong!
Art Center/Train Station property
I was thinking Poughkeepsie, NY.
I think Petaluma Art Center is fitting, Steamer Landing -fits too with Rivertown Revival and can see from the River. or
a friend of nine suggested the roundabout on Petaluma Blvd South, just coming into town passing the new murals.
Art being highlighted right as you enter town.
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Poughkeepsie is good! They have the nice Hudson River Walk that could use some ugliness. Oops, I mean "art".
There is already alot of visual stimulation going on at Petaluma Arts Canter so I don't think that is the best home for
the Tubs.
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I am apposed to this art in this location w Petaluma! I could live with ##3 if the City can't get out of this mess.
Put them near the train station
NOT Water street. ##4 or ##5 .
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#2 city hall.
None of the above. Not anywhere in Petaluma!!!
And if one of the tubs landed on a Smart Train due to high winds...?
Why isn't the current proposed location included as a voting option? I like the current plan, I think it adds to
Petaluma's funk. Also --it is a misnomer to keep saying that all Petaluma residents don't want this art. It's just that
the most noise is being made by those people that are against it. The rest of us who support it aren't making a fuss
online, so naturally all of you against it think that there aren't any of us in existence. ....I guess 1 need to start going
to more support meetings.
Lucy, If you interpret most of the noise is coming from the antitubbers, that is because most people are against it.
You are in the minority for supporting it.
Sheri, I'm not disagreeing with you —most of the noise IS coming from the antitubbers. But that doesn't mean that
"everyone" hates the tubs. It just means that the people who hate the tubs are making all the noise.
"1111-.1,
Lucy, the original posting (see above) was concerned with obtaining suggestions for alternative placements- "it has
been suggested that the opposition should provide City Council with suitable alternative locations." So that's what
this thread is about.
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Marsha, that's a fair point. What I worry is that this survey is going to be presented to the council with the statement
"Look at the data! Everyone wants the tubs moved somewhere else!"
Lucy, that's a reasonable concern, but I am confident that those being presented with the data will be aware of why
it is being presented, and will not mistake it for anything except what is is: documentation of alternative suggestions
for placement. I think they will be able to estimate how many people have responded here and in other threads, but
at this point I am imagining that we will never know what all or even most of the people of Petaluma really feel or
want (we will not be formally asked to vote on the matter), although when the tubs go up I am expecting some
strongly expressed positions from those who find themselves surprised.
Yeah you're probably right. Good debate :P I just hope that no matter what happens in the end, this whole thing
doesn't discourage other artists from trying to create cool pieces for Petaluma. Because knowing what this artist has
been going through, I suspect it's going to make other artists rather wary. I suppose only time will tell!
Lucy, you've put it in a nutshell: the debate has become far more interesting to me than whatever the ultimate result
may be. And I also have a lot of faith in the courage of artists - I don't think we've scared any off!
Not only their courage, Marsha, but their need to make a living. --) And perhaps there will be a more competent and
responsive PPAC in the future.
Now we're thinkin'. I still think the area in front of the Steamer Landing parking lot would be a fine place for the tubs.
In the tidal basin/mudflats.It would be somewhat expected and would not get lost in the background.
I tallied the comments from the story pole event: 75 against 27 change location 45 in favor
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Hey Lucy...your profile says you've lived here since 2018, so I think you're a little late to the game
#1
Nowhere. They're stupid. If they HAVE to be put up I go with #3.
#1!
I welcome everyone's thoughts and ideas, as long as we all stay civil. In regards to what should happen to
development in our Historic Downtown, however, the City already created and adopted several documents. If we are
abandoning our National Historic Register designation, if we are no longer using our Historic District Design
Guidelines or the Central Petaluma Specific Plan, then we should state that and release all businesses and
homeowners from being required to follow them. A large contemporary art structure should not be installed in the
small riverside promenade in our beloved Historic District. Find another location.
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Lucy: This debate has spanned almost a year and resulted in many distinct threads on Nextdoor. This thread was
started (by me) specifically for voting on alternative sites since the majority of posters on this forum are opposed to
the Rive elk location. Choosing to post in this thread is your choice but I'd like to make you aware of the numbers.
I posted this back in November as a summary from the main Tubs thread started by Gina almost a year ago. It
clearly illustrates the initial unbiased reaction to the proposed installation. While you may claim opposition is simply
louder than supporters I believe the initial reaction is a very accurate cross -sectional reflection of our community, in
overwhelming rejection of the proposal: --- > Nov 5th 2018 [RH]- This thread has become so long I thought it'd be
interesting to revisit the first day's reaction to Gina's original post. Thanks to Matt's historical PDF export I present to
you DAY ONE of this dialogue with the following summary: Tally. NO = 93% (80) YES = 5.8% (5) MAYBE = 12%
(1) - The most common thread topic in various forms was, "is this a joke?" - Only unique comments were tallied
(initial poster's comments only; no follow-up posts by same poster)
--- > Nov 5th 2018 [RH], This thread has become so long I thought it'd be interesting to revisit the first day's reaction
to Gina's original post. Thanks to Matt's historical PDF export I present to you DAY ONE of this dialogue with the
following surnmary- Tally: NO = 93% (80) YES = 5,8% (5) MAYBE = 1.2% (1) - The most common thread topic in
various forms was, "is this a joke?" - Only unique comments were tallied (initial poster's comments only; no follow-up
posts by same poster)
#8 train tracks
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Steamer landing seems perfect. Love the idea of it being an art park.
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Ralph ---the reason why supporters don't reply on the antitub posts is because of the backlash —I've already
received some just by posting here. leg. If you were to post "I love meat!" on a vegan forum you'd be torn to pieces.
So why world anyone do it? ...That's why it seems like pro tub people are quiet.
Lucy; those of you who support the tubs aren't making much noise online because the PPAC supports your point -of -
view and ignores ours. From what I've heard, some of you personally attack the opposition off-line. I don't see any
response on this tread that I would consider an attack on you although there have been some clear statements
about our point of view as opposed to yours.
1 or 8. 1 is first choice because the Art Center seems like a good fit for them to me. But SMART train seems furl
since they're on legs so seem to be on the move
Petaluma City Hall... They can look at them all day long.
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Barbara, I agree with you about the noise reasoning. The thing that irks me is the antitub posts constantly saying no
one supports the tubs, when that just isn't true. I replied to a tub post in the past expressing my support and
received so much "go away, your opinion doesn't count!" negativity that I deleted my reply, unfollowed the post, and
stopped looking at Nextdoor for months. This tub thing is controversial for sure but some people involved really get
unnecessarily unpleasant. It's been a huge disappointment in my experience of Petaluma.
I like the Steamers Lane area. Someone mentioned making an art park there, a good idea in my opinion.
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#1 or #2
#8
Really dont want them op period, but if we have choose one ...##8
Lucy. I'm sorry to hear you have received negative comments. I'm a supporter of keeping Water Street Historical
and following the Central Petaluma Specific Flan and the Historic District Design Guidelines - meaning no
contemporary art on the riverfroht promenade. We should be proud of our National Historic Registration and strive to
keep all structures historically consistent in our downtown. We have been trolled, called uneducated,
unsophisticated, closed reminded, negative, spurious, etc. It's on both sides, Come Thursday and listen to everyone.
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Where did the bathtubs come from, were they somewhere else and needed to be removed? NOT BATHTUBS my
answer is none of the above on list, please. Petaluma is a Historic Design, (like Cheryl stated)
NO TUBS IN MY CITY
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No tubs
Lucy- A well-known and well -loved Petaluma artiste (female) was accosted on the street by a pro tubber. Accosted
and berated. Shameful behavior, Stunning really.
If the city really is going to go down the drain with this whole "Fine Balance" art project, we should put it at city hall
so that all of the council members can see it every day. I wonder how long it will take for some one to come up with
"Extended Balance" and put toilets on stilts.
Urinal on pedestal- original Dacia contemporary art installation!
Susan and Cheryl, I know that there is fanaticism and aggression on both sides, which really sucks. I've been trying
to frame it in my mind as a positive thing —that everyone is so riled up because everyone cares about this lovely
town so much. I think it would be sadder if no one cared at all, But the extent to which some people are going is
disrespectful of everyone®s opinions (again on both sides). I hope that anyone reading this that has said nasty or
unwelcoming things to another person over this issue will think about whether it's truly necessary. I'd rather have my
"opposition" win over something as lighthearted as art than spout anger at my neighbor.
It's recycled from another town that rejected it.
Recycled from another town? What town would that be?
#9 500 MECHAM Rd
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Mary, I'd like to know what is unique about tubs being transported to Petaluma? Historical research indicates that
Petaluma shipped eggs and dairy products down the River, and they returned with feed, grain and other supplies.
Tubs were among the many goods shipped up from the City, not something special that defines Petaluma. I think it
was a convenient spin on a previous concept that spoke to the artist, and he sold it well.
Jack - I think you nailed it! Bathtubs aren't unique to Petaluma.
#1 Art Center or #4Lucchesi Pond -making the tubs fountains... but, I also think they would work,well where the
Rivertown Revival is held. The tubs have a steampunk flavor and should be viewed in a large open space to
maintain their integrity. They simply will have none on Water Street. I want thank Mike from the Theater District for
his thoughtful and heartfelt comments to the CC , I am praying for open minds and hearts from the CC & PPAC. It is
time for them to take the community seriously. I am unable to attend the meeting. I'm sorry to all my "put the tubs in
another location" family!!! I will be there in spirit! I have a strong feeling that the tubs will be relocated!
I was told by Beverly S. (PPAC) that #1 PAC was not eligible as it is not owned by the city? But if city ownership is a
criteria that should be factored in for all proposals. Otherwise, I vote #1, #4, #& 1 would not foist this on the innocent
birds!
Interesting point Carol. The Petaluma Art Center is a designated historic building and is now part of SMART
jurisdiction— and so are the railroad tracks along Water ST. and the trestle! The Petaluma -Santa Rosa railroad is
historic. The tracks can be buried in asphalt, but not removed. Ironically I learned that from an Historic Preservation
Committee video-, who now claim they cannot put the "tubs" issue on their agenda. In fact if tubs were shipped to
Petaluma, it would make more sense for them to come by train rather than on a shallow draft boat. Too heavy and
tip . I'm all for creating an art park to showcase a world class collection— including Fine Balance and the David
Best piece. Placing things piecemeal here and there can create clutter— just like any collection in one's home. I
suggest Steamer Landing Park; it's a central city owned two acre park, and has already proven to be a great site for
monumental art during the whimsical River Festival,
Tubs are not a novel idea.
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Objects on stilts are not unique. Bathtubs do not represent Petaluma, For $150,000 we get derivative art!
Accprding to a PPAC member ALL art is derivative —Not the case at all.. A dictionary is in order —but in this case,
yes the tubs ARE derivative
If City ownership is a criteria, then the Art Committee better check their maps for Water Street - tidal and submerged
lands along the Petaluma River are sovereign lands of the State under the jurisdiction of the State Lands
Commission to "safeguard the public's access rights".
Great point Jack. And SMART retains an easement on Water street for probably the same reason. From my
understanding, all of the selected possible sites for art are on city property— as they are the contracting agent. On a
personal note, If Fine Balance is installed there, my "access" will be restricted— because I might not be able to go
down to Water Street without getting sick to my stomach from anger and resentment. But that's just me (and
probably a lot of other people I know.)
#9—the Meacham Dump
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It is better to locate the tubs away frm downtown. I think they insult the history of Petaluma.
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*** VOTE TALLY *** Friends, I cannot attend the PPAC meeting tonight for two reasons: 1) Today is my 60th
birthday and we'd already made dinner plans out of town 2) 1 don't believe PRAC will listen to my information
anyway; I'll re -focus my energy on City Council. Given < 3 minutes to state a valid case against a biased panel
doesn't light me up, City Council wields the baton. I apologize for not being there but having to choose between
something so bizarre as defending our downtown Riverwalk against bathtubs on stilts vs. milestone birthday dinner
with family, well.., -) Tally for Relocation Votes- I see a few surprises in here! (All unique votes, no dupes by same
person, several write-ins.) Does anyone care to share these numbers with PPAC tonight? I will be sharing them with
City Council. 45 Water Treatment Plant 23 NOWHERE in Petaluma 22 Steamer Landing 21 City Hall 19 SMART
tracks 17 Art Center 14 Luchessi Park 7 Schollenberger Park 7 Factory Outlets 3 Fairgrounds 2 Lynch Creek Trail 2
Roundabout 2 Water Street (proposed location) 1 Mcidear Park I Art Museum 1 Sheraton Hotel area Also, for what
it's worth there is real value in the initial reaction to Gina's original post May 24, 2018 (3691 posts to date). As I've
posted here before the DAY ONE UNBIASED INITIAL REACTIONS are; NO = 93% (80) YES = 5a8% (5) MAYBE
1.2% (1) -> The most common thread topic in various forms was, "is this a joke?" -> Only unique comments were
tallied (initial poster's comments only; no follow-up posts by same poster)
#4
YES, anywhere but Water street
relocation were Chris Smith and Catherine Alden for different reasons. Now it goes to City Council who will most
likely vote to follow the process. An appeal can be filed with 14 calendar days. I'm sure others will post more about
the evening.
Thanks to everyone who spoke tonight!! Chamber of Commerce and Rotary (sponsor of Beer Festival) wrote letters
against it. (Fart of public records package attached to Agenda.) I don't have an exact count but tonight was about
60% speakers against the location. During the break Mr Goggin repeated he would collaborate if FPAC said it would
be moved. Ironic isn't it -artist says it could be moved while PPAC says it can't! Vote was 4-2. The two in favor of
relocation were Chris Smith and Catherine Alden for different reasons. Now it goes to City Council who will most
likely vote to follow the process. An appeal can be filed with 14 calendar days. I'm sure others will post more about
the evening.
As far as speaker count Cheryl, it was 14 for keeping it on Water Street; and 26 against. That number doesn't
include Brian Coggin; who on the break stated he would be OK with moaning to another location, but was contracted
for Water Street. I think it's important to note that, the primary excuse given for the 4 yea voters, was that a move (or
even considering a move) would be "too much trouble" at this point. What trouble? There is nothing to "move".
Goggin hasn't even pulled a permit. They also emphasized an appreciation of all the work Brian has done. He has
complied each step of the way and has been paid at least $20,000. so far this year. Ironically much of his efforts (for
research, story pules, meetings with stakeholders, adapting his design etc.) went toward responding to the real
problems with the site. If anything,the committee has generated the excessive delays with their stubborn refusal to
even consider a move elsewhere— even though the site is the biggest bone of contention. A committee vote of 4 to
(one member was absent for this very critical vote) represents o very slim margin for such a contentious (and
costly) issue. I think an alternate site would benefit the art itself. Tubs could be louver; safer, less static, and more
animated if they had room to roam. I think even Goggin would agree with that. Too bad he didn't have a vote.
No tub relocation for me, NO TUBS at all!
Please Relocate the tubs to a bathroom.
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Thanks, Steve! The sentiments of most people in the community.... move them to a very large bathroom for very tall
people....I ll
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Petaluma lfil€a e Premium Outlets?
Sonoma -Maria Fairgrounds?
There is a dog park a lot of wide open space in the friedans shopping center next to City sports. it can be seen
readily from the freeway. if you must that might be a good place for it. Can also be seen from McDowell boulevard.
Just a thought
ONE bathtub is enough empty. Plee e..... what's the artistic "MESSAGE" that's mean.......bathtub? Filled with
foliage & flowers then} 3-4 could work in separate choice places.
Hello all, My wife and I have filed an appeal with the City Council from the decision of the Public Art Committee to
approve the installation of a Fine Balance on River Walk. A copy of the relevant documents is attached. We acted to
ensure that an appeal was taken within the 1 -day period allowed for an appeal. If no appeal was taken with this
period, the right to appeal would be lost. As it turns out, our appeal was the second filed today. The City Clerk could
not recall offhand the name of the woman who filed the fiat appeal today. The more appeals, the better. At some
point, it might be helpful for the appellants to compare notes. Even though the appeal was taken by us and at least
one lather person, anyone can now express their views to the City Council about the Public Art Committee's decision
to approve the installation of tubs on stilts on the River Walk. We encourage everyone to do so. It is now easy to
make comments a matter of public record. All that is needed is a cover message indicating that the comments
concern the appeals about the bathtub project. The cover message and comments should be delivered to the City
Clerk's office. The City Clerk will distribute the comments to the City Council, the City Manager, the City Attorney,
the Planning Commission, and any other committee member that you may request. The message can either be
physically delivered to the City Clerk's office, or sent by email to the office at oityclerk ci.petaluma.ca.us. As most
of you already know better than we, it is important for everyone who cares to express their views to the City Council
and, if possible, to attend any City Council hearing on the subject. At present, there is no record before the City
Council reflecting the breadth of opposition to tubs on stilts. I also recommend that those of you who are conducting
campaigns or polls on the intern et, such as the Facebook page, "Citizens Against ribs on Stilts on Water Street,," or
the Nextdoor.com threads„ such as "Tubs Relocation Vote —Please mote," submit all comments received. Also, it
would be helpful for those of you who have counted pro and con views expressed in various forums, such as the
comment cards at the tub hoisting in January, or the votes on Nextdoor.com, or the number of comments on
Facebook by those opposed, or the comments made at the PAC public hearing, to submit those statistics. There are
probably other polls or reviews about which we are not aware. If any of you are aware of others who are opposed,
but who do not appear on the websites or media sites I have mentioned, consider inviting them to co VVe
defer. to all of you, most of whom have been here far longer and know this city far better than we, to make the voice
of concerned residents heard by the City Council. Thank you for your attention, Deborah and Michael Shockro I am
not adept enough to attach a copy of the pdf file of our appeal. The Word draft, which we signed, reads: March 12,
2019 The Honorable Teresa Barrett Members, Petaluma City Council Members, Petaluma Public Art Committee Re:
Appeal from decision of the Petaluma Public Art Committee concerning;A Fine Balance, also known as tubs on stilts
My wife, Deborah Tavis Shockro, and I write to appeal the decision of the Petaluma Pubic Art Committee on
Thursday, February 28, which approved the installation of the project identified as "A Fine Balance" on the River
Walk at the base of Water Street. We appeal the decision for the reasons set forth in the letters from each of us that
were sent to members of the Public Art Committee, the Mayor, and the other members of the City Council, Copies of
those letters are attached. We also appeal the decision on the following additional grounds: As approved, this
project would be located in the Petaluma Historic Commercial District. The City's Petaluma Historic Commercial
District Guidelines (http://cityofpetaluma.net/cdd/pdf/historic-guidelines/DesignGuidelines-Complete.pdf) are based
on the premise that "the historic buildings and streetscapes in Petaluma's Historic Downtown are essential to
defining the City's character and maintaining its ties with the past." This project is inconsistent with those objectives.
This project does not meet the requirement of the Guidelines that it "be compatible with ... the historic character of
the downtown." Because this project, as approved by the PAC, would be located in the Historic Commercial District,
significant additional process is required before this project could be approved at that location. This project, as
approved by the PAC, requires approval by the City's Planning Department. The Guidelines (see, also,
http://cityofpetaluma.net/cdd/plan-historie.htmi ) specify the processes that should be followed for that approval:
review and approval by the Historic and Cultural Preservation Committee after public hearing; review and approval
by the Planning Commission after public hearing; and, finally, review and approval by the City Council after
recommendation from the Historic and Cultural Preservation Committee and the Planning Department as well as
comments from the public, after public hearing. This project, as stated by the Guidelines, is "subject to review under
the requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA)." We appeal because we have not found public
record indicating that the foregoing requirements and processes have been completed. This project, as approved by
the PAC, is inconsistent with City Ordinances, including, without limitation, Chapters 15, 16 and 17. This project, as
approved by the PAC, is not consistent with the City's general plan, the Petaluma Central Business District (CBD)
Redevelopment Plan, the Petaluma Community Development Plan (PCDP), and the Central Petaluma Specific
Plan. We appeal because the PAC did not carefully consider alternative locations for this project. Public comment
shows that a wide majority of those commenting are opposed to this project. When asked, some of the commenters
have suggested responsible alternative locations which were not considered in the PAC decision. We are hopeful
that the City of Petaluma will follow the prescribed processes and requirements concerning this project. Because
these processes may take substantial time, we suggest that the City Council defer hearing on this appeal until the
processes are finished and the record is complete. While the processes are being followed, we would hope that the
PAC will reconsider its decision, take the time to carefully consider alternative locations that might be suitable for
this project, and be guided by the many public comments about location alternatives. As stated in our attached
letters, we are personally opposed to this project, regardless of location. We appeal the PAC decision on that
ground alone. This appeal is also motivated by the location chosen by the PAC. The fact that bathroom fixtures were
delivered to Petaluma in the 19th century does not distinguish Petaluma from any other village, town or city in
California founded before 1900. It is Petaluma's sustaining Historic Commercial District that makes it unique. We
urge the City Council to vote in favor of preserving this unique historic district. Respectfully submitted, Michael
Shockro Deborah Tavis Shockro
Way to go, Michael and Deborah! Please bear in mind that PAC is the Petaluma Art Center, while PIPAC is the
Petaluma Public Art Committee. Important distinction and one I only learned not long ago.
Please consider starting another thread so that people can get this information about your appeal. This is reply #243
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Michael and Deborah, I am speechless over the intention and consideration you have put forth in your appeal.
Stunning! Your work gives hope to this appalling situation. We.must keep our intent clear and focused. We
will.prevail..afterall, it is the higher road and the right thing for our fair city! The PPAC has a huge responsibility to
serve the community with the art they choose.. This is our first public art installation, and it is art for the PEOPLE...
not the PPAC
Thank you Michael and Deborah!! Strength in numbers!
# 3 definitely Cypress water treatment plant
#2, they like them
Chantal, a new thread has started today. Look for "Please Join with Us to Preserve Historic Water Street."
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for more info on the Appeals try: https-//nextdoor.com/news—feed/?post=1 05124602
#8
What about the library?
N. 10
Why do the ugly, stupid and embarrassing bathtubs HAVE to go downtown on Water Street? Couldn't they go
somewhere where they won't be so easily seen by out-of-towners -- maybe, Rocky Memorial Dog Park or Steamer
Landing Park. (Conversely, the tubs could attract visitors to these less travelled areas to see Petaluma's contribution
to the world of... oh, what the hell, "art.") Chances are our brilliant Petaluma Public "Art" Committee will stick to their
tubs and the damn things will go where they are not wanted by a vast majority of its citizens. (Shades of Trump's
wacky wall!)
I think those "people from all over the world/ tourists" that the Pro -Fine Balance supporters keep referencing will
drive to wherever they are installed. Keep Water Street historical!
Bob, please consider coming to the next City Council and PPAC meetings and asking them your question directly.
Or shoot them ernails if you can't attend. It's pretty much down to the Council now. Don't give up hope!
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If they go up, they can be cut down. Then the city can haul away the debris. Then all that would be there would be
"Tub Stubs".
#3
#6 is the Historical Museum not Art
Tom, Tom your on to something. Maybe today's youth can cut them down and learn some life skills. & After
someone teaches them to boil water and use the toaster. (2)
#3 THis is the place most close associated with bathtubs. All the water fromPetaluma's bathtubs flows here. At
thewater treatment plant it would provide some sense of whimsey.
#8 1 like the idea of the train passengers enjoying them.
Clint, good catch - edited now, Thanks. #1 Petaluma Art Center #2 Petaluma City Hall #3 Cypress Water Treatment
Plant #4 Luchessi Park Pond #5 McNear Park #6 Petaluma Historical Museum #7 Shollenberger Park #8 SMART
Train tracks #9 Lynch Creek Trail #10 Steamer Landing Park
My bird -loving neighbor says "NO!" to the water treatment plant. It's a great bird habitat and why ruin it?
I vote for #10. 1 think that's the perfect place considering the art and music festival held there in July.
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I wouldn't want to disturb the habitat, I suggest erecting the bathtubs near the plant, perhaps adjacent to the parking
area at the water treatment plant
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#1 . The Art Center/railroad station area could showcase public/community art. A truly appropriate place. The lot
being used for construction materials could be a sculpture park.
#7
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I think spanning the railroad tracks just before the swing bridge south of town with the tubs o large chicken, a cow
and perhaps a large egg with passage for the train would be appropiate for welcoming visitors to our lovely town.
#7
Definitely #8
#7
I kinda like the idea of the factory outlets
I like 3, 4, or 7, where they are with water and have plenty; of space.
Debbie- me too. If we must accept these in our community stringing them along the freeway next to the Factory
Cutlets might actually work. Or not!
Isere a tub, there a tub, everywhere a tub tub...
Driving along 101, Mary and little Bobby pass the Petaluma Factory Cutlets. "Hey Mom!" Look at that! Bathtubs up
in the air!" "Hmm... `chose Petalumans sure are weird, Bobby," "Yeah! They worship bathtubs haha!"
Not where you can see them from the freeway! It would slow traffic like the pumpkin patch does, and year-round.
Love the idea near the Cutlets. Lots of visibility from Petaluma Blvd and 10V
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What happens when it rains do they fill up and become bird baths or mosquito breeding tubs??
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Artist recently said they will be covered up to an inch from top. Others may know more.
Since the tubs have not been built yet, they do not have to be so tall. They would be better animated on shorter
poles (or even no poles at all) but have extended claw feet that could run and chase each other. I propose that
Steamer Landing Park has enough acreage for them to cavort and let loose. That area would not impinge on
neighborhoods and has a very industrial flair. They could be the mascot for the quirky River Revival festival. When
the 4 PPAC members argued that "moving" this art off Water Street would be too difficult, I have to laugh. Nothing
has been built— no final design plan is ready to submit for a permit. Do they think it's "easier" to tear up the concrete
on Water street? It could be much less destructive to shift location and reduce its height. A tub could even dive into
a non navigable portion of the river. Maybe Ralph can do a photo shop of what that might look like. (you are so
talented!)
It us my guess that the reason the PPAC says that it can't be moved is because they are unwilling to own up to their
mistake, so they deflect. The tubs have a Steampunk feeling -they would be perfect at Steamer Landing Park
Or at the Fairgrounds with all the funky "plastic" carnival rides.
Ominous,...
And... Guardians of the River Deep
To see the three appeals to the City Council to stop the tubs, go to www,savewaterstreet.info.
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Thanks,Ralph!! Perfect there!! Is the bureaucracy listening?
Ralph you are a genius on the computer. Interesting that they relate to one another and are less stilted (so to speak)
and they wouldn't even have to be that tall. They actually relate to the industrial structure in the background. Good
location.
How about IN the river so that they look like they're floating?
On occasion they run a herd of sheep out on the peninsula to chew down the grass. 'OMG what a sight that would
be. According to the art critic's lingo in the last Argue Courier, the "verticality" (phallic) form of the tubs would
complement the lower (vaginal) lambs. Hey, where's Freud when you need him!
I always thought they should be in the river, but that is not possible -this location is, hands down, the BEST location
for this art..theywill maintain their integrity and make people happy, unlike Water Street where they will be a
constant reminder of the committee not listening to the community
How about putting them in the landfill.
The water is pretty shallow, so they would show. Reply to Bob
A waste of money and unattractive to boot -;put them down the river somewhere if you're stuck with them.
Fix the roads instead.
#3 The water treatment plant. We're stuck with them so just hide them as well as possible. At least there's some
context at the water treatment plant.
#7 or #3 are my votes. Sorry but I guess I'm not much of an art expert to appreciate this particular project. It makes
no sense to me
I'm good with 8, 10 & 4.
No one has suggested it, but I mill: How 'bout the Landfill off the 101?
The project should remain on Water St.. Personal opinions are the only issue here, all other arguments are invalid,
Isn't that your personal opinion. So you are allowed to have an opinion on the matter and not everyone else? The
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I never said people can't have an opinion. My point is a decision was made and not everyone is going to agree and
false arguments such as accessibility and historic preservation are irrelevant. Saying that the issue is the tubs and
not opinions makes no sense, it is people's opinions that have fueled this issue-, there is no other reason to consider
relocation.
Why is Historical preservation irrelevant? Petaluma has 4 different documents to control all structures in the
Historical District! Maybe the PPAC made a mistake to choose Dadaist contemporary art for Water Street and the
location should change.
To say that the opinion of the people does.not matter is nonsense. We, as humans, are subjective by nature.
Opinion is what sparks real change in the world. You are basically saying that your opinion rules over the rest of us
simply because you agree with a decision that was made.that discounts the well being of an.entire community, I find
this to be a rather limited viewpoint..in my opinion
How about choice #11, not at all. Stop this nonsense. Give the "artist" $1 OK and search elsewhere for real art, not
some supposedly "modern art".
Water Street is the worst possible location..they detract rather than add beauty to this area
It IS the worst place to put this hideous thing,
Could anyone share 3 good reasons why they think Water Street has to be the site (other than that the PPAC picked
it) ? Any one?
You need THREE reasons?? ONE is enough!
Tell the city that keeping Petaluma's Historic District intact is important to you. Take the survey at
https:Hpetalumastar.com/goals/. Spread the word.
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4 n 7 are ridiculous. The birds will have a field day n the feces running down the sides of the tubs will look lovely. My
vote 1 or 2. They seems to Love the tubs. Keep them. The amount of time devoted to the issue is appauling. Too
bad this much interest and hours isn't spent on reducing crime, adding to police and fire personnel. So very
disappointed in how Petaluma is maturing. I liked it much better when houses weren't on every open space, zero
folks panhandling, limited to zero crime, etc. Just my 2 cents.
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Majority is say water front is not the best spot. Pro -tub people: why is the water front the best place? Pro -tub is mad
that we are hating on the tubs. But you don't say why the Spot is the best place for the tubs, Is it that location or
nothing?
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How about Waste Management Center.
scrap them and the whole idea .
Couldn't agree more.
Numero uno
Why are they leaving out number 1 1V? 500 MECHAM RD! I'm serious! I work for Recology SF. We have Art made
from trash at the transfer station! Perfect spot!!
I don't support ANY bathtub art in any location. It is not art. It is ugly, They will become the subject of every high
school senior prank. They will be picked up on the news wire, and we will be the never ending butt of jokes. We can
do better than this poorly chosen and poorly executed idea.
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Okay, Brent, pull yourself together. Take a deep breath. They are ugly, and I'd hate to see them on Water Street or
most anywhere downtown. But to say "it is not art" is a little over the top. There's a term for that: "Art Nazi." It's a
little like taking a sip of coffee and not liking it, and saying "It's not coffee." It is coffee`-- it's just BAD COFFEE.
Kapish?
disingenuous in claiming this idea is "inspired" by an event in Petaluma history. He proposed this same project to
San Bernardino in 1984. It was rejected then. 35 years later he is recycling it and claiming it to be newly inspired.
Sorry, but I resent an artist foisting off an old bad idea on a new customer. But, thank you for pointing out my
melodramatic style. Deep breath taken
I just didn't want you to have a stroke over these atrocities. Interesting background about him trying to foist these
things on San Bernardino. As PT Barnum correctly said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Unfortunately, they
are all on the Petaluma Public Art Committee!
Well, Bob, thanks for looking out for my health. I apologize for coming across as strident, especially during these
times.
Just to clarify, the Tubs in San Bernardino were a vertical fountain. Nonetheless, Fine Balance aka Tubs on Stilts
are derivative Dadaism and not appropriate for our lovely little Historic riverfront promenade. Did you catch the art
professoCs article in the Argus? You can read it online here: https://www.petaluma360.com/opinion/9376884-
181/an-art-critique-of-bathtubs# Many of us are in agreement with you and your family. In fact, three different
Appeals have been filed. If you haven't yet, you might consider helping with the costs of the Appeal or signing the
petition. You can read about all of them here: weso. SaveWaterStreet. info When the PPAC voted the end of Feb, it
was a 4-2 vote to continue with Tubs on Water Street. Not unanimous. We need to convince the City Council that
Petaluma needs to find a different location for Fine Balance.
There are three bathtub brands I am now familiar with- Kohler, American Standard and ours, HideousAsHell.
If the tubs are going up, I think steamer landing is a fantastic idea. It'll be seen at a distance, and it's so random it'll
fit in with the river town revival artsy style when it occurrs, every year. I think it's also important that it's still near the
turning basin, which inspired the theme of the tubs in the first place. I think overall a good compromise.
And to make matters worse, standard fixtures won't fit. Hideosashell, the brand that will make us all political activist
plumbers.
these things are so ugly and to think that someone would want to put them along our beautiful water way make me
think they are really mentally ILL'! what is the point, all this energy and cost ?
It appears most of Petaluma things there ugly but as is typical Petaluma government dieent seem to care
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Thank you Bob Canning! So very well said! Hideous for sure!!
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:39 PM
Subject: Bathtub art appeal
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We want to lodge our opposition to the bathtub art proposal, and our support for the appeal against Goggins' entire
proposal. Besides the entire concept being ugly, it is a recycled proposal that Goggins submitted to San Bernardino in
1984, as reported in the attached article from 1984, and which was rejected back then. This isn't a concept inspired b
Petaluma, so the entire basis for the tubs is a sham. Moreover, flying bathtubs will only serve to make Petaluma the
butt of jokes for years to come, and as fodder for every type of prank and vandalism one can imagine. Bathtubs are n
what we want to be known for. It is just plain bad art, if it is even art at all. I
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Subject: Submission to Public Records for Save Water Street Appeal to PPAC Decision
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By way of this email message I would like to submit the attached document containing relevant public
statements by Petaluma residents regarding the public art project proposed for Water Street. Our
group, Save Water Street, has filed an appeal against the PPAC decision to move forward with installing
the "A Fine Balance" art structure at that location, The attached statements reflect a strong local
opposition to this decision and need to be included in our formal appeal.
Please confirm this form of submission is accepted and, if not, clarify for us the acceptable way to
submit these statements for the record.
Save Water Street
Published Comments Regarding A Fine Balance Public Art Proje
to Submit for Public Record for the Save Water Street Appeali
The following comments were posted and recorded on the NextDooronline forum in response
toaninitial post on5/1g/l8describing the proposed Water Street public art project. Thepostis
titled, "Update:Art project to be permanently installed in Downtown needs your opinion!" There
are far too many posts (>3,600) in this thread to include them all. This is a sampling of the intense
interest and more specifically, strong opposition to the project. There are an additional ten
different threads discussing this project onNexiDoor,|ike|yevenrnoreby1hedrne1hisdocunnent
is submitted for the public record. The most common reaction to this initial post was, "is this a
1) Wff? Are you kidding me? First they were going to put stupid yellow bart Simpson feet
sticking out of the water and this is even worse, and probably dangerous.!is this a joke?
2) Are you serious? This is a joke., right???
3) Dali is dead copycat! This is just ugly.
4) 1 don't like it( At least not right downtown which is already cute. If anything, spend the money
cleaning up the rat problem or something...
6) Ouch
7) Salvador Dali comes to mind; his paintings of elephants w long legs is the reference I
imagine. This is pretty sad
8) This project does not give me a thrill. How about some lights in the trees,
10) Not my taste
11) So what happens when it rains?? Are the tubs covered, or will they fill up with water? And
then does the water have a way to drain out, or will these become breeding grounds for
mosquitos. Also, what is the point (i.e. artist's statement?), what does this installation have to
do with, or say about our town? I understand art enriches a space, but I wouldn't mind simply
seeing what's already here be taken care of, you know? How about no more trash all over
downtown, and maybe they could take better care of all the planters they decided to install a
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Public Statements from NextDoor for Submission to Save Water Street PPAC Appeal 3/25/19
few years ago. Ugh— Petaluma...
12) We don't need more rubbish art that should have stayed in the scrapyard or upside down
cobblestones to trip on and make wheelchair access impossible! Robert
13) They can't be serious. Please, let's put our energy towards something real and beneficial to
our community.
14) It says to me "A nice bath is out of mach for youuuu!" Perhaps a water shortage statement?
1 5) Well they'll make a nice counterpoint to the hideous milkshake in front of the movie theater.
Unless they plan on filling those tubs were dead rats, it's better to spend the money tearing
down the old railway trestle. My apologies if that milkshake was actually some high schools
shop project in which case it's fine.
16) plops.
17) that is just awful, ugly and a waste of money. The points made above my statement cover it
all. No, and no.
13) I'm all for inspiring public art, but redly?
19) Okay, just one more thing - if you lock closely at the artist's rendering those clawfoot tub
monstrosities are positioned in the parkingspaces'?!? What the heck!; Who proposed this??
20) Trees + tables + chairs = Art
21) No thanks.
22) Sadly this is NOT a joke and they are spending 150k to purchase this art. We need to voice
our opinions and help this artist design another option that is better suited for our community.
Please attend these meetings at Aqua as it is the ONLY way to stop and alter this project
from moving forward. THANK YOU
3) The beauty along the Petaluma Diver... is the river. This proposed art project will add nothing
to the ambiance and beauty of the river. Use all that money for keeping the area clean and
getting rid of the rat problem.:
24) My criteria for what constitutes successful public art. is the surrounding area improved
without it, or enhanced, or does the piece add to the clutter? Many public art pieces are not
to my taste. ..once in a while there is such an outcry that the piece is removed, but believe it
or not an artist can sue...
25) This picture is a joke, right?
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Public Statements from NextDoor for Submission to Save Water Street PPAC Appeal 3/25/19
26) Seriously?! Flow is this project being funded? I agree. Get rid of the rodents, and enhance
the natural beauty of our waterfront, thank you.
27) beep the bathtubs on the ground and plant flowers... that what I would do!
28) Ridiculous
9) Everyone who replied here should go to the meeting on Monday or Tuesday so this can be
challenged effectively, and something beautiful to enhance the area, created.
30) Bathtubs? Seriously?
31) Suzanne said it! This is our town and we should have a say on the use of public space.
Attend the meetings at Aquas and voice your concerns.
32) This has to be a joke.
3 ) Based on all the replies and issues presented in this discussion, I would prefer artwork that
represents the history or future of our city
34) This is net Art, the picture is designed to cover up the real way the project would look like.
The Art council needs to explain their decision to the residents of Petaluma?
5) It is ugly and completely laughable to spend 150,000 one Hopefully people will stand up for
something enjoyable and more appropriate to look at.
6) Not with my towns money. What do bath tubs say about a community with farming and
ranching history?
7) Does it represent the "turning basin" is that the reason for tubs turned in different ways? Not
really my taste, but I sure do enjoy that large light switch near the Dst. Bridge!
38) nay Gawd that is ugly! That's a walkway. People would have to be sure they don't walk/ drive
into the supports? Surely we can do better than that! Yes someone from our household will
attend the meeting at Aqus.
39) The Artist must be laughing all the way to the bank! I have a claw foot tub I would be willing
to sell for` 10,000! Let's not get away from the charm of downtown, a find art that is more
appropriate for the area.
0) Nc pe no way
41) Hmm...doesn't give me the warm fu zies...unless`they are intended as nesting situ for
osprey. Kinda reminds me of the Star Wars Walkers.
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Public Statements from NextDoor for Submission to Save Water Street PPAC Appeal 3/25/19
42) STUPID and ugly idea for art installation in the downtown waterfront location. Outrageous
that this design would even be considered for funding. The ART committee should go look at
the metal art installations at the new shopping center where Friedman's is located. Everyone
enjoys that art.
43) We can't fix the potholes in the roads, or get rid of the rat infestation around Magnolia and
PetalumaBlvd. But we're going to pay 150 THOUSAND DOLLARS to mount a few bathtubs
on stilts? Insulting.
44) O , so the artist is Brian Coggin in case anyone wants to look him up. He's known for SF art
(the building with the walking furniture on the side) I'm a little surprised he got picked for this
project. I don't dislike his art 1 just don't think it fits with the location.
45) 1 assume they will have drain holes, but then the tubs will fill with debris clogging said drain
holes, fill with water and eventually collapse from excessive wait and kill someone.
46) Reminds me of the War of the Worlds movie, with the tall 3 long-legged spade alien
creatures who scoop up humans, eww!
47) This looks really awful. Can it be changed°??
43) And whose paying for this?
49) 1 have reported this infra and the photo on the I Love Petaluma! Facebook page to get more
awareness and, hopefully, attendance Monday and Tuesday night
50) Please tell me this is a joke!
1) Not my vision for Petaluma. Sorry.
52) NO I!! If our city allows this our pretty town is going down the drain I!
53) Who pays for this? Am I paying for this? Please don't tell me I'm paying for this. My car has
constant alignment problems due to the terrible road I have to drive on to work everyday.
Please don't tell me that this city spends money on this ridiculousness in lieu of of ether
serious problems
4) Ok. So, how does the city of Petaluma's Art Master Plan get their money for projects like
this?
) So in other words what we think doesn't matter.
6) The money could be better spent on classier art or benches and sitting areas. Whose idea
was this?
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57) 1 do not care for it.... Flow about some creativity from the local artist down on Baylis Street ?
56) high! I need to be a better voter!
59) Please let's suggest Decorative benches from which to view the river. The river should be
the focal point
60) those are not cool
61) Heather Mackin, can I ask you how the community was notified of the earlier open and public
forums with the artist of this project? I just don't recall reading or hearing any news at all
about the open forums mentioned. Thank you.
62) The kinetic wind sculptures leather suggested are beautiful and amazing. Thank you
Heather. Now that is art!
63) We all need to dhow up and express our opinions or five of these bathtubs and their 20
accompanying poles will be installed on Water St. Please don't get me wrongs I loge art but I
don't think this installation is right for that location. I'm sure the artist can comae up with
something more appropriate.
64) The funding may have been voter approved, but I'd be willing to bet the proposal was for
"public art" and not "bathtubs on poles"!
65) It begs the question from the observer "what does this have to do with downtown Petaluma"?
It Might be interesting, if one knew the title of the work, in an art galary. I just don't think it
translates well to a "large" work of art.
) Why is anyone spending money for this? Why aren't we focusing on actual things that unite
members of our community? We have a huge amount of dog lovers here. Let's update our
dog parks. It's an amazing way to bring members of our community together. I envision dog
parks with food trucks and an area for kids to play. What a great place to hang out after a
long day of work! Or what about community gardens? If my kids and I had a garden plot
somewhere close by that we could grow our own veggies that would be amazing! These art
projects seem more geared to visitors instead of ghat would be good for the residents of
Petaluma.
67) No
66) I'm very thankful for Nextdoor.com or I otherwise would not have known about this meeting
or installation. I'll have to work on becoming more informed about local matters. In this light, I
will be at the meeting, and if the accompanying photo is any indication, voice my objection to
the proposed project,
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69) It represents the unquestioning support for John Derry's view on the future water level in
Petaluma due to global warming.
70) 1 just googled Goggin's "Artist's Statement" for his work in general. You can read it here:
t1!p,//wovo.metaiahorm.orq/bio/artist statement/ To me it's just another example of the
pretentious, meaningless artspeak used to justify the existence of the visually offensive and
unimaginative. Because it doesn't make sense, people often assume it has a deep meaning
they are incapable of understanding, when really it's just a bunch of gobbledygook. Thumbs
down.
71) We recently visited the Fremont Troll installation under the freeway in Seattle. It was great!
The Troll piece was well visited, obviously a climbing structure and a great photo op. I like art
that you can intact with. This one doesn't seem to fit Petaluma
72) 1 am pretty involved in art and the arts in Petaluma, Honestly, I don't get the concept of this,
and I have not gotten the concepts behind rather public art either. Maybe I am public -ark
challenged, but I suspect if anyone would be open to interesting ideas, it world be me. I get
the idea that art is a statement, but, honestly, WTF do bathtubs have to do with anything?
Especially along the river. I could see various organic steal pieces representing the seasonal
aspects of the riser or the Sonoma countryside. I could see (although not really resonate
with) various agricultural references ..But what, is Petaluma a bathing community? No. Are
we known for bathtub manufacturing? No.: do our citizens need to bathe more? Well,
some.. (sometimes me included!!). Public art needs to reflect the essence of the community.
It is not just a forum for some artist with some idea to do their thing... Especially not for
1 0K. I'd MUCH rather see that money put toward chil ren's programs at the Petaluma Arts
Center than putting up some weird and impractical monstrosity along the river. This looks like'
one of those art for the sake of making some sort of inner statement pieces, which are fine
for the artist and the few who might appreciate it, but when you are dealing with public art,
the audience is the community, and like it or not, quirky pieces that appeal to a small handful
of self proclaimed "illuminatti" don't lily with the community, and don't add value to our
community environment. In fact there are two tests for this, and I am surprised the committee
who thought this was a good idea didn't get this: 1) does it add value to the community? 2) is
there any chance that it will cause a public backlash causing us to remove it? Honestly #1
should be the real driving factor, but if the committee is so challenged, or so self possessed
to think that this is the best they can offer`, then they need to read the comment there, and
look at question #2. *Frankly, having seen the committee whiff on several other public art
proposals, I question if they are really the right folks to be making these decisions (sorry to
those friends who serve on that committee, but really, between us, WTF?
73) He needs to hoist the trapper up there with the tubs,as it looks like sh.. Please keep this
modern garbage out of our old school downtown. .
74) So out of 90 replies so far, the only 2 positive responses on the proposed artwork are from
two individuals on the committee. Is anybody else concerned by that?
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75) Not impressed at all!
7 ) This is not art in my opinion. The money could be bettered used. If the city doesn't realize
this then we need different people in office
77) Tacky. I really hope this is a joke.
78) Looks like a fatal accident waiting to happen.....
7 ) This rendering should be used as a say no to drugs poster
80) So you grit your responses! Bathtubs???
81) Local artist george utrillo an ulo does paintings with Petaluma culture he would be a much
better option.
82) In Goggin's application, he talks about exploring "the intersection of past and present
attributes of the site related to the river, trolley train, local trades and cultural influences that
have shaped the community of Petaluma." He proposed using iron, wood and brick to
incorporate elements E6that have shaped the architectural character of downtown Petaluma"
and light "so the work is also active at night" tjtp./�/www. ressdemocrat.corn/news/695066-
131 /joetaluma-names-2-finalists-for i don't see how this vision leads us to bathtubs. I can't
believe he was chosen over David Best.
3) 1 try to keep an open mind when viewing ANY piece of art. If I don't like it personally I try to
remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, however, the work in
question doesn't seem to represent Petaluma in any way I can perceive, and as someone
mentioned, this is public art and should enhance the context in which it exists. I really don't
think this piece does that.
84) Cake Great. Let's spend 150,000 dollars on bathtubs when there are at least 20 to 30
homeless people living in the field behind my house!! How's that for perspective?
5) 1 remember H"Christo's Fence1e I even have a piece of the fabric. As crazy as the fence was, it
was designed to be a spectacle of enormous proportions and most of all to be a short term
temporary statement that was privately funded. This Star Wars bathtub remembrance is not
temporary and is funded by the citizens. What it has in common with the fence is that its a
""crazy spectacle". That alone is not the art that Petaluma should permanently be represented
by.
66) 1 hope our future voters will make better decisions.
87) Should had just made a vote post if possible. I'd say the (P have it!
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88) RP; The Running Fence comment; Running fence was a TEMPORARY installation. It was,
by its nature transient, and all the more beautiful for it. Moreover, there is a huge difference
between a simple canvas fence supported by posts and filled with he Sonoma west winds,
than a bunch of iron bathtubs supported by poles.
9) Michael Frost wrote: "Wow! So if all of you can remove your knees from having jerked them
up to the underside of your chins, maybe we can have a reasonable conversation about the
value of art in a community and what that art might be. Now we have accusations of
"Illuminati" (jeez Scott, what ax are you grinding here? honestly!), all kinds of disparaging
comments about people who donate their time out of civic responsibility and Monday
morning quarterbacking from couch potatoes who admit that they have self selected
ignorance of the public art funding and protocol." Well, you are asking for comment on a
process for selection of PERMANENT public art, paid for by the citizens at rather great
expense. Perhaps you have forgotten that critique and criticism is a key element of art, and
especially public art. Apparently some folks feel it is in their brief to push what they consider
°'art°' on the public, but can't take the heat when the public pushes back. As you can see 99%
of the people on this post think the "art" itself sucks. That meads that those can the Public'
"Art" Committee" seem to have a rather different idea of what is appropriate as 'cart" in the
community, and/or they don't care what the public thinks, presumably because they think
they are somehow "above " them (hence the illuminati reference). No axe grinding, just plain
observation. The fact that people put in time to came to what appears to be a rather
unpopular decision is irrelevant. You don't get points for trying and failing. I am confident in
my appreciation of art, and personally I too think, from the image posted on this thread, that
this art installation is inappropriate. If they (you) can't stomach that criticism, then that just
reinforces my statement about "illuminati". I am sure the artist has some point to make, and
the piece might be relevant in some other context, but it seems inappropriate as public art in
Petaluma. And it is, after all, the public that is underwriting this; piece. And, Michael, to the
extent that you disagree, and want to personally call me out on my opinions on this, then
perhaps we should have a conversation about how this squares with our financial support of
PAC. Scott
90) Sorry, I thought that the rusting chunks of metal in front of the Visitors Office (near the Smart
Train stop) was nuts. But the suspended bathtubs is even worse. With all due respect to the
"artist" this is lunacy. What is the take -away? Do Petalumans deed to take more baths?
Please tell me this is someone's idea of a joke.
9 1) You can't be serious
2) Personally - I hated the kind of waste that Ghristo's fence entailed, But that aside, I have no
idea why ONE man's vision, Mr. Goggins, is being solicited for a PERMANENT art
installation w/o the buy -in of the larger community? It defies credulity. Mr. Frost - as far as
not being in the know - my husband, an artist and owner of the Riverfront Art Gallery that
BACKS UP TO the river where this installation will be placed, did not know about this until
tonight! Many of us were not happy about the projects that have been built around "town - and
you know as well as anyone there is much concealment that goes on by developers and the
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city planners to keep the public from weighing in (and opposing) projects. We are not that
naive.
93) We hold personal hygiene in high esteem?
94) 1 think there is another element here that needs to be considered. Everyone's idea of art is
different. My home is filled with an array of art created by friends, complex abstract and
impressionist art created by professional artists, and antique Japanese woodblock, prints. All
types are, to me equally compelling, but than, its MY house, and MY art, so l get to make the
rules. Someone else might want to have a collection of velvet paintings, that, to them,
represent art. That's fine„ because it is a private matter. It is Private Art. Public Art is quite
different, because here you are seeking to find art that everyone (or at least most) can
support (as in.. are not actively lobbying to have it removed) and that hopefully adds some
level of value to the community. It's a difficult challenge,because art that pleases all is
typically bland and uninteresting, but art that appeals strongly to a small subset for peculiar
reasons (e.g,, bathtubs on poles along the river) is not geeing to appeal to the majority of
people, and, as we see here, may by actively rejected by the community. I don't know the
selected artist, and I am reasonably confident that the committee chose him on some
defensible basis as an artist. My beef here is that the proposed piece seems, as many on
this thread have said, to have no connection to anything. It isn't about Petaluma, it isn't about
the river, it isn't about our agricultural heritage, etc. That said, anyone who's been in my
living room can attest that art doesn't have to be "about" something. It can, as with Running
Fence, just be there, beautiful on its own. So here we are with a proposed installation of
bathtubs on poles. Unfortunately, while they are "about something" that something is not a
thing that l (and apparently many others) have any compelling interest in, and the installation
does not appear to have its own inherent beauty.
95) 1 can't be the only person who's thought about the liability of this installation (Le,, if the welds
give and/or some car hits one of the legs and....). Yikes: Are there enough monies in the
cit 's or Mr. Goggin's coffers for that?
96) Look hove beautiful this picture is, now imagine five claw foot bath tubs on rusty poles, high in
the air. it's quite the visual. For $150,000? Why?
97) Karen Nysart.. At least until birds and/or homeless people start nesting in the bathtubs...l can
also see many reasons why they might represent an attractive, nuisance.
https:Hen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive nuisance doctrine
93) 1 wonder how long it would be before someone tried to scale the sculpture. Is the pity ready
to accept the liability. Why do we even need this? There are a lot of better uses for the
money.
99) Another thought to consider is who will maintain this project as the years paps or will it just
be allowed to deteriorate?
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100) Judging from this thread, or from the hundreds of comments now on the Fla I Love
Petaluma post, no one has herd anything about this project. But they have now. My 1.5
cents - a permanent installation of this size, scope, and questionable connection to our torn
should not be placed in one of the most picturesque and iconic corners in Petaluma.
101) My opinion has evolved over night and now noting the mix of well thought out,
sometimes visceral, sometimes emotional and definitely overwhelming negative responses
to the artists rendering ... hmmm maybe he's on to something!
102) Since 90-95% don't like it and would want to see the money used for something
much more pleasing and enjoyable to the majority ... perhaps we are on to something. The
fact that we shouldn't choose this. Just because it is controversial doesn't make it good. Why
can't it simply be beautiful and for the purpose of evoking happiness or heartwarming
feelings when we see it. There is too much controversy and divisiveness in the world.
103) Does the committee even care what the public is saying in this post? Their response
seems to be "hey, let's listen to his reasoning and purpose". How about the committee listen
to the overwhelming sentiment of the public. There is no "reasoning" or "purpose" that will
make bathtubs on stilts appropriate or aesthetically pleasing to the riverfront. And unless the
committee expects the artist to stand downtown 24 hours a day in perpetuity explaining the
art to people passing by (most people don't read signs), once it is installed the piece will
have to speak for itself visually without the aid of 'reasoning or purpose.
104) . Technically, it didn't come from the citizens of Petaluma but it's a requirement of the
citizens of Petaluma for anyone who builds large commercial projects ("a public art in lieu
fee"). For example, the developer of the complex that built Friedman's, in order to build
where they did, had to either put in art or contribute to a fund (1 % of the total budget). What
is built, whether it be a commercial build big box, or an art installation, impacts the residents
of the town. People don't like things foisted on them. It's very anti-21 st century. And a few
committee members are not the general public. They, alone, should not be the final deciders,
105) If it is so conceptual that it requires the artist to explain it before people can resonate
with it, then, NO it is too conceptual for public art.
106) This ISN'T art! I get it that the person creating the piece is trying to think outside of
the box, do something daring, different. Some people think that creating an outrage means
you've done something productive, Please NO
107) l appreciate hidden meanings in art but I too don't understand the concept of
bathtubs on poles, I would hope they have drains so as to not be a breeding ground for
mosquitoes. I don't see how bathtubs relate to Petaluma and I agree that 5 very tall tubs on
poles is visually disruptive for that area. I also envision judgment impaired people trying to
climb up into the tubs for the ultimate FB or Instagram shot, only to fall and hurt themselves,
Liability, anyone
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103) Just sent an email with my two cents below to Kcolin ci. etalurna.ca.us slope
you will all do the same. "Dear Mike, I'm writing to express with great displeasure the need
for a reevaluation of both the chosen artist AND the proposed art that decorates our beautiful
riverfront. It is unthinkable that a piece such as this should contaminate a beautiful city, and
gorgeous riverfront cherished by Petalumans. The only thing this piece successfully does is
create controversy, which unfortunately for many is the only element needed to deem an
installation as "art." While it's understandably impassible to choose an installation which
would please everyone, it definitely IS possible to choose and installation which would
please most. Thank you for your consideration. -Four concerned Neighbor"
109) Wow, beauty in the eye of the beholder but.... this is a stretch. Eloping no tax are
involved at all!
110) Why not a Petaluma Artist- Jon Ton? Instead of an Artist from San Francisco?
111) 1 think decorative sitting areas would be more useful and definately more attractive.
Thanks
112) Local artist also makes the most sense.
113) Since someone mentioned "Illuminati" I would like to mention Agenda 21. Is this
artwork an attempt to have us leave our comfortable homes and live in bathtubs'
114) TCe installation would look beautiful on Cussy Field or another vast wide open
space. But I think it's too cramped on Water St. The artist lives in San Francisco. If he lured
or spent much time here, he would see that the installation isn't right for the location. I'm
confident he will come up with a more suitable concept, should it come to that.
115) There has been no direct answer as to how the members of the public have been
notified. (`there are Petaluma Art Committee members posting in this thread, as well as a
Petaluma Arts Center Board member). Clearly the process of informing the residents of
Petaluma has been inadequate for a population of our s
116) 1 agree...table &.chairs would be great!!!
117) 1 mould Like to add my voice to those who are asking why we are not using a local
artist for this project.
118) Sorry, but this is hideous AND unsafe. What's the matter with cows/tractors/chickens.
Isn't that symbolic of Petaluma?
119) YUK! as well as stupid, visually unattractive....
120) There should be no choices other than local artists. And I agree regarding safety. is
there any doubt someone who has had a bit too much to drink (or smoke) will try to climb
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these things?
121) A small group of the people on the art committee that have no history with this
community as I see it. Do they make the decision for all of us?'
122) . It just seems unhelpful to denigrate people for not being involved up this point, and
especially in regards something that isn't vital to their existence. Let's just do a better job of
getting the word out when big pieces of art are intended to be placed in public areas.
123) We are being invited into a very important decision. I originally thought it was a joke
or a tease to get people to got involved but now realize it wasn't. I will come to one of the
meetings and offer my opinion if it is solicited. I hope everyone on this forum will also come
and participate It's so cool that so many people carelll
124) It looks like a blanch of bath tubs in the air. What is the symbolism herr?
15) No thank. you!!
126) That proposal is an embarrassment. What do bathtubs in the air have to do with
Petaluma. I thought it was a bad joke when I save the picture. I am an appreciator of art and a
sculptor. 1 appreciate good art in all forms including "modern art", but this looks nothing like
anything that belongs in a high visibility of Petaluma. Let's all get to the meetings)
127) This just is confusing, I'm sorry but I don't like it
128) Why did the Council vote to have a 1 % fee on all developments to be placed in a
fund for public art to begin with??? Why don't we have this 1 % fee placed in a fund to
support our police department so they can have peace officers present in our schools to
protect our children? Hmmm,let's see. —bathtubs on stilts or safety for our children? I know
someone will say that this money has already been allotted for art projects and we can't
change that. Well, why not? I bet if you asked businesses owners if their 1 % could be used
for our kids they would probably agree.
129) With my heart felt apologies to the artist I sadly find it unacceptable
130) I just read, not substantiated, that this project is a 150,00 Dollar art installation.
While that sounds impressive to some I would like that kind of money to go to something
else, really anything else. I like public art, I support it existence. I think the ability to have an
artist work displayed in such a prominent way world out way any fee, and actually be
something a city could permit and fee
131) 200+ replies! One of the best Nextdoor pasts ever! This was the best of 3 proposals?
I'm dying to know what the other 2 looked like. They must have been%dooziesl What could
this possibly have beat out?
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132) The council voted to require a 1 % foe can all development to be placed in a fund for
public art as many cities do." If this is true it's patently wrong In a community where housing;
costs are ridiculous to the point where native Petalumans can no longer afford to lime where
they were born, forced to leave the community where their parents and extended family live,
and where their heart lies, something is very wrong in fiscal priorities. Our streets are a mess
and the municipal deficit grows. Where are the cross town connectors Petaluma so sorely
needs? City mass transit that actually fills the needs? Effective rush hour traffic solutions?
Can you make it across the valley and back mid -day in less than 45 minutes?
Comprehensive school security? Petaluma?? I love art. I was an art major in high school and
college. I understand the need and value for original art in our lives. Invaluable. But, I also
understand the need to prioritize basic needs. There is a real misjudgment of priorities here
and it's not fair to the working middle class that is losing traction every day. Subjective art vs
basic needs should be a no brainer.'
133) Personally, I Mould not want to walk under any of these sculptures, which then
disconnects me from the river. My view would be for the artist to recalculate; please, re -
envision. This one misses.
134) While I like that the bathtubs won't block our views, I believe they would present an
attractive challenge to mischief -makers, and a safety hazard. I dare you to climb up and sit in
one! While drunk! My feedback to the artist(s) and art commission is to combine art with
purpose; beautiful bat -houses and owl houses. The owls will prey upon river rats, and the
bats on mosquitos, making the river area more beautiful for everyone. fitly feedback to ALL of
us Encourage our artsy neighbors to submit more and better plans. The committee is asking-
for feedback, and why not include some viable ideas?
135) The sewage treatment facility here we all love is beautifully landscaped by an artist I
think is Icelandic? That is where public art money should go ... to enhance and beautify the
environment, not add to the cacophony and create more clutter
136) 1 think I already made my thoughts on this known in I love Petaluma F13. I would like
to know what this artist's thoughts were when designing this bathtub alley.Not our towns
style ! unless it floods then they may come in hardy. My thoughts are if we deed some art
work then find someone Iocal.We have an abundance of local artists that I am sure would
love a project that represents our Home town
137) Fix the god awful trestle mess first tear it down.
138) There are probably lots of places in Petaluma a big art installation could be placed,
but given that the skyline in the area that's been chosen already has the mill and the arched
bridge - and is quite narrow/congested, the idea of having additional objects in the visual
plane seems very unrestful to the eye.
139) Has anyone looked at his resume ? ugh!
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140) 1 dislike the bath tubs, I do, however, find much of Mr. Goggin's work interesting.
Tease see a gallery of his work at httpL//www.metaphorm.orq/works/ As for his background,
my only question is why he left Cambridge to finish his Bachelor's at SF State. ;A) I like the
fact that we have money set aside for public art. "The worker roust have bread, but she must
have roses, too." While aerial tubs aren't bouquets of roses, at least they're someone's non-
commercial vision. Now, if Goggin was offering us a flock of flying chicks, or aerial eggs, I'd
be cheering him on. But tubs, no; pull the plug on this idea
141 i Don't let Petaluma become "lil burning man". beep Petaluma conservative!
142) I've mentioned this before but it bears repeating. People with poor judgement and/or
people who are under the influence are going to try to climb this. If anyone doubts this they
do not understand human nature. That alone is a reason this project should not be approved.
143) This is truly hideous. l can't believe it's under consideration.
144) Bathtubs (and old toilets, for that matter) do not belong outside, as art.
145) Nose. Don't like it for all the aforementioned reasons. I don't agree with the
insinuation that those who don't like the bathtubs on poles aren't sophisticated artistically.
And I don't understand the resistance to the clear no being expressed. Seems inappropriate
to reject public opinion about public art. Imagine if everyone was saying yes! Isn't that the
reaction you want from the public about public art? What about the presence and health of
the river and pedestrians use of the area? I like the idea of whimsically created owl and bat
horses, etc... (created by Brian or David Best) with public info explaining their purpose on a
plaque written by a group like Petaluma Friends of the River. Practical, educational, helpful
art that improves things. Benches for sitting on by local Sons of Salvage. Or a giant mural
about Petaluma past and present. d/ At
the link is paintings from Tennessee equestrian community, but he could do contemporary
characters from local Petaluma community, Heck, a giant metal chicken by that sculptor from
Sebastopol = a whimsical representation of past and present Petaluma, if there's space. We
already have a giant painted one in town, why not a giant 3-D metal one?
146) We have the incredible artist right here in town that creates the amazing Burning
Man sculptures that we all see under construction.... And we're going to put lap bathtubs ON
STILTS?? It's not even funny.
147) 1 think whomever is going to the meeting needs to bring a device with which this
thread can be shown, There are 235 replies and the vast majority of them are expressing
disapproval, That needs to be communicated
143} Please, don't install this... Just imagine looking at this for years to come
149) Ugh! Ugly! Put in up in Santa Rosa next to Johnny Garlic's
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150) I knew I'd seen this concept before somewhere. Mousetrap by Hasbro (arid,
possibly Dr.Seuss) Kidding wide, this is one of those weird art sculpture things that visitors
see, remember always for its uniqueness, and think, "what a strange community."
1 1) I'm really just not terribly excited about this installation, 1 think it's the wrong place for
it, I do like art that makes you think, and so I'm not "against" the piece in general
152) Orng what a hideous joke. He'd be laughing all the way to the bank about the prank
he played on Petaluma.
153) 1 am sorry, but 1 realty do not like this project. There are lots of wonderful artists here
in Petaluma. This thing just makes no sense! It has to be a hideous joke!
154) You've got to be kidding.
155) Not impressed with this and it doesn't seem practical
156) No way!;
17) My husband makes recycled redwood birdhouses that are 100% more beautiful than
this monstrosity! He'd probably evert be willing to donate them to the city for free!
158) The process has been flawed by an approach that spent a lot of time on selecting an
artist or team without regard for the project. At this point, we have to assume the artist is
worthy. But why not a project that celebrates our Butter and Egg heritage (I have a particular
thing in mind)? At least let's get something that's in our field of vision. The picture of the
proposed project looks like abig safety hazard: it's a bunch of poles to avoid running into
whether you're walking or biking. And if I want to "enjoy" it, I'm going to get a crook in my
neck. Seriously we can do better.
159) The project my team wanted to do was a small pavilion with e carton of eggs as the
roof. The benches for seating would look like sticks of butter. Joe Chaimongkol would have
handled the metal work and Shawn Thorseon would do the eggs in the carton. Both
Petaluma artists.
160) 1 am not disrespecting the artist, but I see absolutely no connection to this artwork
and Petaluma. My opinion is that he should shop his idea elsewhere. (Written with the
humblest and most respectful intention. Truly.)
161) You know, as an artist myself, I don't want to criticize the artist; this piece is
interesting & might be great somewhere - but I strongly disagree with plans to put it where
they are considering. No, no, no! Very Bad Idea! IMHO. -1 CANNOT see any good reason for
Petaluma to put this up there It makes no good sense!
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162) My wife is an artist. We find no connection with this piece and Petaluma. Is it
possible to re -open the competition?
163) Those look terrifying! Imagine water falling from them as you walk underneath.
Imagine them falling on you as you walk underneath!! AHHHHH!
164) I love the pieces that the artist has on the buildings in San Francisco but I don't find
the rendering of the bathtubs very exciting/inspiring. However my daughter likes it and I
imagine others do as well. Did he have any other ideas for us?
165) For me, art appear to my senses rather than my intellect. I can intellectualize about
a piece of art if I were in an art history class, but when it comes to what I should hang on my
wall or install in my city, I either like or I don't. In the case of this proposed art project, I don't.
It may work in a large city like San Francisco where the vast majority of the population are
not forced see it on a daily basis unless,of'course, they live close by. An example of this
artist's work would be " Defenestration" (which I happen to like) But to place this work near
the heart of a small city such as ours, where we are forced to see it on a regular basis is
unacceptable, in my view. If this position represents a minority view, then I would be happy
to defer to the majority. After all, since this is public art, the public must be the final arbiter
166) He's a talented artist and if this particular piece isn't to our liking I suggest we ask
him to submit more ideas. Check out his work. h1tpL//www.metaphorm.org/works/ Maybe the
subject and placement could be re-evaluated and more relevant to Petaluma environment
167) For me, just NO. Double and triple NO. It doesn't really represent anything about
Petaluma and does not add any beauty or charm to our town. Back to the drawing board,
please. Tease give us something we can be proud to show our visitors from all over the
world. But Bathtubs??? Really?
168) What it is that you see in this, and why you think it is appropriate for the water street
site? To me, and most of the folks here on Next -door, it is a bunch of bathtubs on stilts. Ugly,
uninteresting, and a set of accidents waiting to happen
169) Yep, even if beauty is in the eye of the beholder —not trio many people will think this
one is lovely. We'll be a laughingstock
170) "Hey mammy, look! Bathtubs in the sky!„
"Wow, cool... sort of;"
"Why did they put bathtubs up in the air; mommy?"
"It's art, honey, bind of like a sculpture."
"That's not art, mommy, those are bathtubs. Bathtubs on poles."
"How do they ;make 'you feel, sweetie? Do they make you have any different feelings?"
"None, I think they're weird. I guess weird people live here, mommy."
"Hahn, maybe you're right. Maybe weird people do live here. Time to go home, anyway. Away
from Weird Petaluma where people put bathtubs in the sky. Naha!"
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171) I'm remembering back when the artist was selected we were shown his "Language of
the Birds," and I thought, yes, something like that would be lovely, a pleasure to see and
something for Petaluma to be proud of. And so I'm very disappointed and concerned about
the bathtub proposal. Rather than a lovely enhancement, it overwhelms and detracts from
the natural and historical beauty and personality of our town. I would cringe every time that I
saw it. That speaks to visual aesthetics. I don't like the feeling, either, of heavy objects
hulking overhead. It's unsettling, Others have addressed very real practical problems -
standing water, debris, an irresistible temptation to toss something in or to climb. I'll be at
the meeting tomorrow night.
172) Excuse icy ignorance, but can my husband shove up at tomorrow's meeting with a `
look book" of his birdhouses and bathouses? We're not really sure how this meeting works..?
He's disabled and retired and would love to donate the 1% (?) to the pothole fund._
173) Beware unwashed masses of Petaluma, it is time to clean up The Bathtubs are
coming!
17) Unlike Petaluma's gaudy wavy -steel latitude/longitude markers at street corners- you
know, those stupidly expensive ones nobody even pays attention to, this monstrosity will be
greatly noticed. And, very difficult to avoid. Like those street markers;what's the point?
175) It is not clear why opinions expressed in written form on Nextdoor by residents of the
city are not valid, but only the ones expressed outloud and "heard" in the cafe are valid and
counted. There are so many substantial reasons given by members of this .site why this
project (hot the Artist) is inadequate. At the same time , visual art in public outdoor spaces,
(not in the museum of modern art) where it becomes part of our ecology is supposed to
speak by itself, and simple yes or no, like or dislike, should be enough, especially a visceral
negative emotional reaction should be a decisive signal to the art council - this piece is not
compatible with character, culture and psychology of this town. This town is our home, the
streets and walkways, little parks are the extensions of our living rooms. Many of us like to
walk, to bike, to enjoy being not only in our backyards, but "about town". Do I want to walk or
take a rest near this elevated found object/trash from the dump site that also looks like
grandiose advertisement for a specific product, do I want to look at it for a Icing time, does it
evoke feelings of appreciation of beauty, awe, wonder, spirituality or at least visual pleasure?;
With choices of architecture, landscaping and art we shape environment, the world around
us. We are not tourists, we will not be able to take a picture of something curious and leave
and forget. Day in and day out driving by, walking by we will have this image in our visual
field and it will influence our mood and attitude. Conceptual, controversial, mildly
irritating,cynical, provoking, experimental, causing a lot of debates art installation- it is a good
thing for a larger scale city like New fork, Chicago, where it will be just a tiny aspect of
multimodal cultural landscape, and if you don't like it you have a choice of not seeing it. Not
here. I think we should nullify this contract, make a call (either local or state or national) for a
Site Specific Project, not the artist, and choose among many projects/ models/ renderings,
and who knows , maybe some rising star graduate student of the Arts Institute will surprise
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us with a fresh idea close to our collective heart. The rendering could be sent to us through
the Nextdoor site and Petaluma city site, small scale model should be presented for viewing
in the art gallery, and everyone who cares will have opportunity to say "yes "or "no" through
any of these channels. Or maybe let's first invest in the art of landscaping, we need more
shade trees, fountains, benches, flowerbeds and not only in downtown.
176) Definitely contact the Pert Committee. It appears that those 5 people will be making
the final decision. Even the representative from the Planning department said as much. What
has been said on Nextdoor makes more sense than the artists explanation of his vision
about the bathtubs which he would like people to donate. Definitely go to the meeting and
voice your opinion. Get there early. There is also an opinion box at the meeting
177) Thats a lot of power for 5 people. Hope they listen to the public outcry.
178) 1 can't imagine that any explanation by the artist is likely to cause me to change my
mind. One either resonates with a piece of art, or they don't (a possible exception being the
rather complex and densely intellectual works of Christopher Evans). And, as you have seen
here, most don't. That should be a huge red flag for the committee. If you prevail, and this
monstrosity gets built, I predict there will be a public outcry that will cause it to be torn down,
and the public art committee will be re -started once again. THAT will put the cause of public
art back years. Thus, I would tread carefully, and listen intently, even if you don't like what
you are hearing.
179) Bathtubs on poles in a public walkway along a serene riverPront just defies any
credible explanation. Perhaps we should just modify the concept, and put a bunch of farm
implements on poles, or maybe go tip to Santa Rosa and round up some of that twisted
metal from Coffey bark. At least those concepts, while equally jarring and site inappropriate,
would have SOME linkage to Petaluma/Sonoma County. "The bathtubs play on the contrast
between manmade (the tubs) and natural (the river) both holding water." Seems to me to be
a very thin rationale for this idea.
180) 1 see nothing relevant or attractive about this art display. Bathtubs on stilts leaves me
cold. I vote no!
181 i This proposed artwork adds no aesthetic value and I believe would be a ridiculous
piece that would degrade a rich historical area.
182) Our visitors come from all over the world. A hanging bathtub is not presenting
Petaluma in its best lights
183) The intended site of the installation, in a narrow area btw the river and the buildings -
is a profoundly congested area - lots of discordance of materials, and visually oppressive. It's
often heavily traveled by pedestrians, cyclists, and cars. My hope is that much of the clutter
is cleared away;- and the area opened up. The last thing the area needs are more man-
made structures in the visual plane. Yes, there is definitely a place for art! If the river itself is
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not art enough - nor the mill or bridge silhouetted against the sky - then by all means install
Goggin's art in an open field, where it will get its due attention.
184) Pull the plug on bathtub art?
185) However, when you are dealing with PUBLIC IC art, everything about it is public. The
site matters, the statement matters, and you better hope that more than a small handful of
people at least don't hate it. if this thread is any guide, the "NAYS" have it about 15A over
they "°AY s"...that's a landslide of people not liking it over the small handful that do —and in
terms of public acceptance, that doesn't bode well. Ideally public art should enhance its site,
not detract from it. A nice recent example is the hands and spheres in front of Lagunitas.
Interesting, attractive, meaningful to many in different ways, etc. Pretty much nothing that
can be said for bathtubs on poles.
186) This proposal is seeking to place a new structure that serves no purpose, and (IMO)
adds no visual benefit in an already crowded place where it will impact a thoroughfare,
detract from the river and create a variety of hazards. I dislike it conceptually, but if it were to
be built, I'd suggest putting it somewhere else where it at least isn't complicating an already
complicated location
187) Context is key to experience of sculptural art. While I love the installation concept, I
do not think, as is, this is the right location for it. It needs to be in an open space such as
McNear Penninsula. I do wonder about safety- 20 sloped steel legs for adults and children to
negotiate in addition to other people, the sun, cobble stones; birds nesting, dying, plugging
tub, likely setting up mosquitoes, bird dropping, ratting bird carcass flesh to "produce" and
drip down. I love the artist, and If project goes through as is, I will be happy to live with it. I
will add I was very surprised last night to hear the council has advanced this sole concept
without confirming the leg design complies with safety regulations. I can totally see folks
hitting their heads. In total, from this experience, I imagine the Art Council has learned hove
the design, vetting and communication processes can be improved. -- Hey, can the rats
crawl up legs and nest there rather than Central Market back alley!?
188) Really? Bathtubs on poles? Is this a joke? I love out town and love to walk along the
river. I have a young grandson who will be joining me soon. Do I want him to ask rite why
someone put a bathroom up in the sky? How can I answer that? We are talking about a
small city that thrives on nature, our parks, waterway, trails and the wonderful Downtown.
Why would anyone want to destroy this ambiance and tranquility with such a visual horror
show? Something like this belongs in a Modern Museum to be viewed by someone who
enjoys such oddities and not forced on the general public who want to enjoy the space by the
river. You might as well hang some toilets and bidets up there with the bathtubs. And by the
way, all of our opinions matter, not just the ones expressed in person. What can the artist tell
me that I don't already know? It's bathtubs on poles. Please give us all a break and use your
common sense.
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189) The next question is how do we remove this committee on the take and put in people
who know what is attractive public art
190) Another horrible Petaluma art project. Let's stop the tubs!
191) That said, since Petaluma has already awarded him the contract and it did not seem
that he was willing to re -think or re -design the pidce(s), let's have it erected in a big open
space on the Penninsula - and be a stand 'alone - where people can ogle it from afar. That
will leave the narrow area btw the river and the buildings, frequented by pedestrians, cyclists,
and cars, without further obstructions/impediments as they move about, and make it less of
an attractive nuisance to drunk youths (for example) in the downtown area who would see it
as something to scale/mess with (if they want to swim the river to moss with it, that's fine ;-).
In fact, given its very design (huge scale at 27' high) and toppers the size of bathtubs, it is
the very thing to be placed at a distance.
192) In my trying to be open minded to the artists' concept and vision of "tithe contrast
between manmade (the tubs) and nature (the river) both holding water", aka bathtubs on
stilts, I still just do°t get it. WHY up on stilts and looming precariously tap in the air? It
obstructs the beautiful view of the river and the footbridge, and creates more clutter in the
walkway as mentioned by others, and it's ugly. An art piece at ground level would be much
better. And, WHY old clunky clawfoot bathtubs that have nothing to do with Petaluma as the
manmade water vessel? It might make more sense if the manmade water vessels were
replicas of those used by early Petaluma farmers and ranchers, or replicas of beautiful
woven baskets from our Native American Heritage, or replicas of beautiful pottery from our
Spanish and Mexican Heritage, all who used the river before us with their manmade water
vessels, and that do have a connection to Petaluma. It'd be teaching a little history lesson
through the art, if viewers could actually torch the art piece and envision those who were
here before us and who used such water vessels, and think about hove important the river
has always been to so many before us. The artist could visit Petaluma Adobe State Historic
Park for some reference.
193) 1 think it's atrocious. I recognize that everyone had different ideas of art ---hot my
favorite.
194) 1 agree that I would like this installation Much more in an open location. It gets lost
where it is, seems to make the area more cluttered and the humor of the piece gets lost. One
of the great things about Defenestrations is it's humor - the furniture escaping from the
building and clambering about. I think I might love the bathtubs in an open environment
where the askew legs and the tilting of the tubs could be appreciated. McNear°s is a brilliant
suggestion. I also love the idea of a trolley from downtown to the outlet malls. I suppose that
is a pipe dream but what a wonderful thing that would be. It would make the riverfront so
lively and cheerful. We know how tourists love trolleys and it would bring business to the mall
and the downtown.
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195) By the way, with regard to juxtaposition of natural and manmade, Petaluma river is a
tidal dough that has to be consistently once every 4 years dredged in order to make it
navigable, which makes it manmade or at least man dependent body of water. In this case
proposed art installation will be just a permanent reminder what an artificial world we live in.
No contrast, just redundancy. I agree , if the idea is not just to beautify and please the eye ,
but to tie the art to history and character of the place, it would be better to make references
that will be inspiring and educational- to Miwok native people drafts like baskets or jewelry, to;
Mexican and Spanish settlers that were here before, or to various birds that use our
Shollenberger park and the tradition of birdwatching, to thriving artists and writers
communily,(as you may know, one of the authors, teaching on Petaluma SRJC campus
wrote a novel " Into the Forest" made into a movie, Petaluma itself was a movie site for
"American Graffiti "- why not flying books and paintbrushes with palettes and movie
cameras), to creative garden society ( why; not flying flowers and trees, at least they will give
shade) , to various meditation and yoga centers (;why not suspended in the air buddhas and/
or various creatures that live in our protected natural habitat in yoga poses), to Meridian
university, teaching about Culture and Consciousness. It could be a watermill, it could be'a
line of beautiful wrought iron light posts with lights that match the style of iron front historic
buildings and comfortable wrought iron benches to sit and take in the view of the river. I am
sure we are so much more than a bunch of bathtubs. I am sure looking at them will inspire
me to clean my bathroom more often or even exchange my current tub to the one with claws,
if this is the trend now, but I would like something more (uplifting when I get out of my house
to walk along the river and recharge;
196) 1 have seen some strikingly; beautiful "public art' on my; travels around the West.
Remo has some great stuff on its highways - big metal bird sculptured and fish in relief on the
walls. Raley"s has/had a metal sculpture of a heron in the reeds which was really well dome. I
think the bathtubs are invasive and avant garde. I would like to see art that snake people say
"On, isn't that gorgeous!" and not "Hmm... isn't that weird'?" I hope we get some other options,
and don't have to settle for things people don't really like.
197) I'm thinking beautiful artistic owl boxes. Let's beautify the river area and get help with
the rat epidemic:
198) Yes I agree do something to bring in more bats, butterflies owls etc let's beautify the
area Not turn it in to a junk yard
199) The writer Annie Dillard once wrote that art should be like an exuberant Golden
Retriever dragging us into traffic. This piece certainly does that. My art school training says
it's pretty great and interesting,- my Petaluma heart says;. I'd rather see something that speaks
more to our community. There is such a quaint Western character here that embraces humor
easily, but simply doesn't need provocative art. I would also love to see a project around
town to do bat and owl boxed as well. Anybody willing to get that going with the city?
200) , I still say what many others have said-- wrong art work, wrong place. We have a
unique and beautiful riverfront in downtown Petaluma. The area needs upgrades, upkeep,
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safety checks, benches and planter boxes, and, as others have suggested in this thread,:
maybe something to attract wildlife ---love the owl box ideal It is a narrow stretch that by
three means could be made more pleasant for strolling. As I see it, it is not a sparse that can
tolerate approx. 20+ tall metal poles. This particular proposed art work: -is trio large for the
already cluttered space; -discourages strolling by those not privy to the information that those
are not real cast iron bathtubs dangling over their heads; - discourages strolling in general
because of the pole placement in the already narrow space; -obscures/takes hostage of one
of the best, historic views of the river; -would add to the clutter of that area rather than unify
it. Some of my favorite public art displays are successful because they do not obscure the
vistas. They enhance and respect the real star of the show, the view, as well as hosting the
walkers enjoying it. I air thinking specifically of Manhattan's Highline, Chicago's lakefront;
and .F.'s Embarcadero, among many others. Those spaces are inviting to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and wheelchair users by providing broad uncluttered walkways as well as
stimulating art pieces that do not totally commandeer the space. I think the Brian Coggin
piece is interesting and would be effective in a larger space, perhaps on a hillside along the
river, visible from the SMART train, but please, not on Water St.
201) 1 do like Goggin's Language of the Birds piece. too bad he didn't come up with a
concept like that for us. Graceful beautiful books in flight vs;, ponderous iron tubs can stilts.
Hmmmm
202) I'm thoroughly disgusted by this so-called "art" proposal. Wrong place. Wrong
proposal.;
03) What I personally think went wrong is the notion starting out, that what was needed
was a large sculpture. What's really needed, in my opinion, is a beautification project which
provides places for people to sit, relax, enjoy the river, perhaps some shade, address the
mess of the old trestle structure, etc. All of this can be done as public art.
204) Not there
05) 1 don't see why we need a piece that is, frankly, inn -attractive in order to be uneasily
understood (i.e. complex vs superficial). It is possible to come up with complex ideas that
can be appreciated in multiple levels, as opposed to this, which can only really be
appreciated after listening to the artists tortured explanation about bathtubs on poles
somehow having some relation to river tides, cows chickens, and iron front buildings in SF.
205) Bottom line is that many many people do not support the installation. This is PUBLIC
art And the public has spoken.
207) If members of Petaluma Arts Council as p group or individuallly insist on the bathtubs
installation in spite of public discontent why not execute it on a smaller scale ( if necessary)
and install on the grounds of Petaluma arts Center as a permanent part of gallery collection,
provided that it will be funded privately by these insisting members of the Arts Council as
their personal piece of art , while the City fiends will be used for a project that will enhance
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and beautify the city, bring more joy to its inhabitants and more harmony to their relationship
with their surroundings
203) Clearly this is an unpopular idea. Even if this was visually appealing (which it is not)
Is this concept practical or safe in earthquake territory?
209) I'm a strong supporter of public art, also a strong believer that it needs to serve the
needs of the community, embracing their interests, concerns and aesthetic considerations.
It's not about an artist putting his/her thumbprint on a location.
210) 1 have nothing against this artist. I have nothing against bathtubs in the air. In an
open space it may even look fascinating, certainly unusual. But, for OUR river walk area this
idea is ludicrous. It will dominate and redefine the river walk. Must be stopped before it's too
late. Please add my name to the list..- prefer no anonymity here'.
211) 1 had the opposite reaction from you to what I heard last night. Objections of many in
attendance were not given time to be voiced; you may be discounting the overwhelming
number of voids within this group and what it represents. The artist spoke for 35 minutes
within the designated hour dominating the meeting time. Attendees were given less than 1/2
hour to respond/give feedback ( yes ,the meeting went on another half hour —but I sensed a
reluctance if not strategy to disallow for significant audience feedback ) Having come from an
FA program at UC Berkeley,( and I was accompanied by a former dean of arts from
several bay area colleges) I thought the artist redundant and his explanations unconvincing.
Do I like his art from SF and other places? YES!!!! I like his drawings for the; proposal, which
are surreal if not DADA (absurdest) . Yet, this is an urban guy, probably the wrong guy for the
location.... which 1 would personally prefer to not see gussied tip. Yes, GLISSIED UP... Our
most sophisticated art expression so far is the sewage treatment plant with its brilliant
landscaping. Well, I know Petaluma from 50 years ago, and many of us who live here will
drive for days to visit or find an authentic seeming town which hasn't yet been
'discovered'.. meaning, €ane that isn't self conscious! What wasn't made clear was whether we
were all wastingour time to give feedback, as it appeared the artist was already in the stage
of consulting with engineers..and may have already been compensated for his time by a
contract. He was not listening to feedback, he was reacting/defending what he already has
done. Which is why David Best, wham he clearly; admires, cautioned him to listen to the
audience. ?space?--
212) 1 am just seeing this so was unable to go to the meetings. I am saddened to see that
it seems that the time for public input has passed. I can't believe that we are paying this guy
$150,000 and he isn't even providing the tubs! Erecting old junk into the sky, is not going to
enhance our charming downtown. It doesn't matter to me what` the artist's vision is, we have
to live with the eyesore.
213) 1 was at the meeting last night. We clearly weren't being listened to. We heard at
length the artist's vision of Petaluma without regard to our vision. Our concerns were
dismissed. Doesn't feel safe was met with reassurance about literal safety (in earthquake
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country, not convinced) and even so, does it not matter that it creates a space that simply
doesn't *feel* inviting and safe? Expressions of distaste were met with the rebuttal that great
art is frequently met with resistance, though it doesn't follow that all art that's resisted is great
art or is suitable for a location. Observations about visual clutter were rejected because the
artist had made sure to elevate his clutter above the existing clutter ... thus cluttering the;
sky! Our incomprehension of bathtubs on stilts was dismissed citing art's purpose of
provoking thought, never mind that the thoughts right be as trivial as WTF. As to the
commentary here on Nextdoor not being representative of the city at large, I agree: Those of
us posting and those of us attending the meetings have, I expect, a greater than average
interest it and knowledge of art and so, I would argue, are likely more open to challenging
art that the population at large. If the majority of us are expressing distaste, imagine the
reaction when the rest of Petaluma Mumbles upon it. I anticipate a backlash'. And the
concept of public art will get clobbered, unfortunately, I didn't have the opportunity to speak
last night but I did express my thoughts in a letter left in the comment box. Frankly, though, I
don't think the Public Art Committee cares what we think.
214) Unless we are going to hold a referendum on this installation you are never going to
get the opinions of all of Petaluma (Even with a public vote, you would probably be lucky to
get 50%). You and the artist suggest that the opinions on social media are somehow not
representative of the general public. Katherine Plank (here) and the artist (last night) both
gave the same spiel that unless the artist has had a chance to explain their idea, the
comments are somehow meaningless. I respectfully disagree on both counts. First, the
general public is going to be seeing this installation without the benefit of ANY explanation
(even the tortured one offered last night by the artist). So, the art needs to stand for itself and
be accessible to the general public. Second, given the explanation by the artist last night,
and as some have pointed out, the rather selective approach to granting time to speak, it;
appeared that the majority of the attendees had similar reactions. The first person to speak
did so eloquently, and basically said he understands the concept, but, frankly, doesn't get the
bathtubs at all. That comment was rivet by numerous nods in the audience. Third, it is patty
well established that samples are at least representative, especially when the opinion is
overwhelming. At 15:1 against, the margin of error would have to be rather dramatic for the
results here and at Acius to not be at least' informative ,if not compelling. So, it seems that
even with the selection bias associated with this forum, a substantial portion of the; public
feels that this idea is: Inappropriate for the space; Don't see how bathtubs relate to anything
about the space or the town; Represents a potential attractive nuisance; Represents a long
term maintenance liability for the city; Should be replaced with something that is substantially
more accessible and interactive*; Should be moved to a larger; location where it can be seen
from a distance; * Someone made this point last night, and Lynn Woolsey's daughter (the
Bay Bridge Lights artist) said that people would be taking settles with the tubs -except, of
course, at 27 feet off the ground, in that location, it will be nearly impossible to take a selfie
with anything other than the poles in the background...
215) 1 felt that the art committee, the city planner, and the artist were giving time to the
public out of courtesy, but really had no plans to act on any of the feedback. I was a bit
surprised to hear the artist ask the first speaker, after he clearly stated his opinion, if there
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was a question.. it is as if his idea of feedback was answering questions about his art, as=
opposed to hearing what people thought of it. I generally thought the artist's responses were
dismissive and somewhat arrogant.
216) If the city goes through with this bathtub installation Petaluma will forever be the butt
of Cialis (so) jokes. Do we really want the association with dick hardener?
217) . "We know what's best, now take your medicine and like it." Natasha, I really like
your suggestion that the art project be located at the Art Center! Perfect. Though by now l
don't care who pays for it and there's a contract in place, no doubt. It seems a fair
compromise. They get their art pied, the artist's work is displayed without spoiling this little
space along the river. Location, location, location ...
21 j Idea; how about as a group next door community, we all pitch in and rent a billboard
on Washington Street near Golden Eagle shopping center. We post a giant picture of the
Star Wars esque , Oops I mean bathtubs on stilts with the city's phone number to call to
voice an opinion. This and/or%a text reply of yes or no. This would be fairly inexpensive and
for a month everyone in the city would get to see it. There's nothing more public than actually
being put in front of the public. Too often these days keeping things from the general public
in order to achieve the desired goal seems to be the norm. I will offer up the first 500
towards the cost of a billboard
219) 1 certainly appreciate the work of the Public Art Committee, the time and effort they
have given to the community and their interest in enhancing our community with art. As
someone who worked for years as a citizen and a city council member, as past chair of the
River Plan and co chair of the central Petaluma Specific Plan I strongly object to the bathtub
proposal for the Water street area, That space is meant to be a promenade, a gathering
place of which we have very Few in the downtown area. 1t should not be obstructed with
pales. It is a place to bike, walk, stroll along the river and enjoy the open vista. It is the only
wide open space we have downtown, Please locate this art installation somewhere else,
McNear peninsula, North Water Street, The train station? It would be a big mistake to locate
it in that section of Water Street.
220) Like marry on this forum, I am open to the provocation of thought that public art
pieces can generate; even so, my initial knee jerk reaction ---" rid iculous'°--has barely
evolved, (except to include the word "ugly'°)despite the protracted discussions that l have
followed diligently, hoping to hear a valid justification. Unfortunately I am out of town at the
moment, so was not able to attend either of the Arius meetings, but if what has been
reported is true, and public comments were treated dismissively, I'm kinda glad I wasn't
there! A more open process, inviting early public feedback in an easily accessible medium,
such as that described by Mark Malmberg above, seems much better suited to a small
community like Petaluma. There is a strong whiff of elitism in this whole saga.
221) If`a contract has been signed between the City and the "artist", are we stuck with this
eyesore and are these meetings just to satisfy a "good faith" public outreach? Is there any
type of public appeal period or process? Flow is the general public being notified of this
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pending disaster, We are all here responding because we are part of a small group that
became aware of the installation by way of the original post by Gina. How is the City
reaching out to the rest of the community? I agree with most of the folks that are posting that
the opinions shared on this site can be taken as a small cross section of the population and
extrapolated to a similar opinion by the entire population. With all this stated, it would really
be good to know if in fact this is a done deal and will be happening despite the outcry from
this forum. What makes the issue even more annoying to me is that the "artist" is asking the
public for supplies to build this monstrosity along with his proposed 150 k price -tag. Do we
have any bathtubs that we can donate? Sorry, I don't but I might be able to find some old
toilets for his next project.
222) How about instead- giant skeletal chickens marching in a parade. Or: mobs of ants
with sledgehammers smashing up bathtubs. You can have my ideas for only $125,000.
223) 1 failed to mention in my previous post the question about the City of Petaluma
Planning Department and Building Department involvement in this project. I seems that
engineering will be required to assure that structural stability and pubic safety are
maintained. The City Planning Department requires permits for everything that is erected,
even a small fence. Does it meet code? Have all of the setbacks been addressed? What
about the environment impact of this project? This is not just a small statue hidden in a
corner somewhere. It is a massive structural project. Does this project require a CEQA
review (The California Environmental Quality Act)? What permits and approval will be
required. It seems that the Art Commission may be sidestepping some of these questions. It
would be good to see the entire scope of work and all of the necessary approvals that are
required by the city to erect a massive structure. Old style claw foot bathtubs are usually cast
iron and could weigh several hundred pounds. I believe there is more at stake here besides
the aesthetic catastrophe, Are there any Attorneys on this forum that would be willing to look
at the legal aspects of this project? Aside from a billboard that may spark some attention, a
lawsuit would surely ignite a fire.
224) 1 assume the contract allows for the process being followed providing for community
feedback, and that if the Committee is wise and honorable they will push back on the artist to
re -design. My take -away from the meeting was "Bathtubs won't fly". -)
225) It is entirely, as you say, "self conscious," as in "look how hip and artistically forward
Petaluma is." If that's the message we are intending to send, then I agree with others that it's
the right project in the wrong spot. The more people suggest the Art Center location, the
more I can see it being passed frequently, being viewed by the SMART passengers,
provoking thought (even if that thought is WTF), and leading from East Side to West or vice
versa, It would certainly distract from the current view from town to the East Side which is the
attractive Art Center building and then Taco Bell.
226) What's next, swinging toilets?
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227) The Art Center Area is the perfect spot! And if it's where transportation/visitors are,
then perfect! This is where the whimsy welcome belongs! As long as the safety issues are
figured out, can't have bathtubs dropping down on pedestrians.
228) When I saw the bathtubes on stilts, I thought of" War of the Worlds" N G Wells radio
play. I think a cordless SawZall would be the cure for those "aliens1e.
229) One other thing to consider which l don't think has been mentioned -we are fortunate
enough to have'a wonderful full flock off snowy egrets which nest every evening in the
redwood tree at Dempseys, just across the river from where the proposed bathtub structures
will be placed. It's an awesome sight to see them fly in and nest. I don't want to be standing
beneath heavy iron structures. I would feel unsafe beneath thorn, and they would distract
from the beauty of the moment offered to us by nature. Cheryl, you state what I also
personally believe. Plus, we must send our comments to the art commission and cc all
Council members. And Scott, I am happy to keep my name on anything I past here at
Nextdoor. Thanks for your time and effort in copying the comments
230) If we want to make good use of donated bathtubs, we could paint them - as we do
pianos- fill 'ern with dirt, and plant flowers.
231 j Install the tubs down on the McNear peninsula where the Rivertown Revival
teampunk folks will most likely appreciate it. ;-)
232) 1 emailed my disapproval to the Deputy Planning Manager and got his personal reply
that he forwarded it to the Public Arts Council. I warned him that he may be inundated from
this forum, so... I highly suggest you all do the same before it's too late!
KQ0LIN( ci.petal uma.ca. us
233) It is very disappointing to see this step by step manipulation -if you say no to the
installation of bathtubs in the sky as representation of past, present and future of your
hometown , - you are being rude; if you dislike it - you are offensive; if after' listening to the
lecture on how and what to think about bathtubs you are still against them - you are being
unevolved; and then comes a big reveal - the contract is signed already. A bathtub is a
bathtub is a bathtub. It leaves very little to imagination, It is boring. Even on stilts. It is
naturalistic, does not excite, inspire or elevate even though it is placed so high,
234) 1 attended Monday's meeting and felt that the majority of people there were against
this particular piece of art, especially in this location. I love looking at the river, the bridge, the
mill, the trees with the egrets, etc. I can't imagine how bathtubs on stilts would improve that
in any way. I like .Jane Hamilton's point that the area is meant for walking and to be a public
gathering place and I agree that 20 posts would certainly be a deterrent to that, I felt some
sympathy for the artist who was trying to "explain" his art and the ideas behind it, but what he
said didn't make much sense to me. Connecting it to the history of the iron front buildings
was quite a stretch and saying that when he looks at them he will be reminded of looking at
cows on the hillsides really went too far. The city should listen to these strong opinions
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against the bathtub piece and not go with it just because the process is already in place.
235) HUGE WASTE F MONEY UGLY!!! We could use more murals depicting people
who have done extraordinarily kind things in this town or beyond, nice seating spaces or just
redirect that money towards something useful.
236) Who signed the contract and how did they elicit public input before they signed it?
Whoever signed this contract needs to be held accountable and/or perhaps the process that
goes into these decisions needs to be reworked.
237) Can't appreciate it at all.
233) 20 posts! 4 per tube 20 posts folks! Imagine cyclists„ pedestrians, cars etc trying to
navigate that in the narrow area btw the river and the back of the buildings? It defies
credulity. The PAC is wrong about this one.
39) We need beautiful things to enjoy. I have seen in other towns art painted on all those
blank and not so attractive Utility metal boxes. We have so many artists in Petaluma that
could paint one or two with art that represents the area they are located. And it would really
allow our community to work together, I have pictures of many from Auburn, Ca. It was
inspiring to walk around and find them.
240) this looks like a bad sci-fi film set. $150,000 for what? that money should have been
spent on fixing the cobble stones not some 'pie in the sky' or should i say'tub in the sky' art.
you call this art? I'd call it a bunch of 'you know what' and it will destroy a great urban space
right in the heart of downtown. time to get another artist who can do something worth while,
for that matter it seems apparent the public art committee has totally lost it. is this the best
they can do"? they tried this before and this is worse than the previous submissions, it's
depressing to lock at the image and the art committee is throwing away huge dollars on
something very very ugly. we should all contact kevin collin and the public art committee and
give there 'the thumbs down'.
241) 1 am just curious where the public art money allotted for this project or any city
sponsored art projects`comes from. COTS is losing thier children and families program.
There are so many causes that feel more important than controversial public art projects.
Enhancing Petaluma's beauty may be important and there are so many ways to do it. Many
of us feel that nature in itself is beautiful and we would prefer to enjoy natural spaces with as
little evidence of human activity as possible. I love the idea of hiring local artists to do small
projects in ugly areas around town. I love the idea of morals of role models for our kids
during a time when we really need them. Flow about some murals of local hero firefighters
and other public servants and volunteers who were heroic during the fires? Since this will be
public art that is funded publically, can't there be a more public decision -making process
moving forward on this and all public art projects? Is there already a very public process?
Can someone describe the process?
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242) The art board and the artist need to see all of the feedback, Thanks Debra and
everyone who took the time, made the effort, responded with thought and concern for our
community.
24) Johanna I read this thank you.... and I cringed when I read Petaluma's Public art
program is committed to enhancing the appearance and cultural richness of the city LOL. I
redly don't give a hoot just fix the dang potholes and keep the city clean. I don't think the
people that are opposed to this are going to be heard. I think it is going to be a disaster ,,you
mark my word. Elope that artiste` has some good liability insurance.
244) 1 think priorities should take precedence. What do tourists think of the trestle debacle
on nice riverfront in the heart of downtown? Dirty streets that rarely if ever get a hose
down, overflowing garbage cans,rats and broken sidewalks. If your house has a leaky roof
do you go and buy a piece of art for the wall or fix the roof?
245) Our country is in crisis, our county is in crisis, our city is in crisis. Flow does this
project help at all? Most people won't be inspired by it. Art Committee - you can do better!
!°°lour abort use the $150,000 to help sustain Petaluma artists so they can stay here? Are we
going to become like Santa Barbara and Marin where only millionaire artists can afford to live
in our community? Lets not! If you must spend $150,000 on bathtubs - then build a public
bath for people who lire in their cars and pay a gym membership just to shower before work.
246) It won't happen. Don't let Petaluma become Marin full of weirdo liberals
247) Referring SOLELY to this crazy art project. Which is dangerous and blocks nice
views of the river. No offensepersonally. I see problems all across the board with this.
Liberal viewpoints are great to hear but not forced by having to see bathtubs in the air
everyday.
24) While I think this 'art' is as crappy as anyone, 1 try not to lose 'perspective. The world
won't end if they put this up. I don't think hundreds of bicyclists are about to be killed by
crashing into the stilts. And tourists like to laugh at us California liberals - we're harping them
have a good time with our ridiculous` art. If I made a list of wasteful government expenditures,',
this might not even make my top 100. And there is some good to come here - 1 didn't know
there was a gin distillery in Petaluma. I can't wait to check it out. Absolutely voice your
displeasure, but don't despair if this happens. `yeah it's a stupid waste, but we'll be OK.
249) 1 hate this! I actually thought it was;a joke at first because who would actually put;
these up??
250) Anyone that thinks spending 150,000 dollars for bathtubs on stilts is a good idea
probably will agree with rubber duckies as well, I think I've given up on the ability of this town
to snake sane and appropriate decisions,
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251) Somewhere I read about the art installed in the Friedman shopping center. That
made me think. I feel art styled like those pieces, modern, but relevant, would be more
enhancing to our town ;I have to admit I find the bathtubs appalling. Totally out of character
for Petaluma.
252) What about the bathtubs? Isn't this or wasn't this the chicken capital? What do the
tubs represent?
53) Nay, I say... I love this artiste "books in North each"... but I am against the
bathtubs.,.
254) A thought this morning: This sculpture is an "artistic vision" of Petaluma from a San
Francisco perspective not a Petaluma vision nor a Petaluma perspective. is that why it
feels so alien and preposterous to so many of us? I'd go so far as to say that it feels insulting
(to me).
55) In keeping with the time honored tradition here in CA, is it too late for a restraining
order? There have been many potential reasons mentioned in posts from public safety, to
seismic concerns, to waste of public funds. Surely there is a lawyer in town who dislikes this
enough to work pro bono. @ ()
256) Our Riverwalk is quintessential Petaluma and this project is an extremely poor
representation of *public* art for that* location. It is certainly a;quirky and noticeable project
but more suitable in an art for art sake's setting (;perhaps the art center? ) or a location of
greater scale (Perhaps McNear peninsula ) I "get it " for Rivertown Revival or Burning Man
but it is not appropriate for Publicly funded art for our town. The location is too important for
this particular concept." Many of the comments suggest that those of us who are not in favor
do not understand the artist's thinking behind the concept. I say that understanding any
artists concept is not primary. Art in most media is visual. The observer sees the art and
forms a reaction emotional, physical, visceral, whatever. Does understanding the artistic
vision change our initial reaction? This photo is an example of an individuals initial reaction
to public art. This piece is in my second home of McCall Idaho. The sculpture although not in
any way abstract (and perhaps some would say it is pedestrian) is a very characteristic
representation of that community. Locals and visitors love it and I would bet that anyone who
visits that town has a photo of this sculpture. That, I believe, is true public art and is the kind
of reaction many of us would prefer.
257) This has become political. Hope everyone shares their points of view on this. I
believe this is the beginning indication of part of a movement that either starts or stops with
this project.
253) Whether or not anyone likes these structures no longer seems to be the main
concern. We walked the area; yesterday, No matter what Goggins says the poles will obstruct
walkers/bicyclists and the lovely views
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2 9) I'm struggling to find any place in Petaluma that deserves these an,,. things.
260) nape,
261) Have you considered the Meacham landfill?
262) How about one in the front yard of each of the Public Art Committee members
houses? So then folks can go on treasure hunts trying to find them around the city...
263) For whoever suggested that $150k'was chump change, you are wrong. Several
COTS workers could be hired„ art teachers (yea most of our kids don't have art classes
anymore), so many really important things could happen with $150k. I believe that the group
tasked with spending the money was really trying to do the right thing here. I think one
reason this project is getting so much blowback (besides the fact that it is unattractive and
doesn't seem to reflect anything positive about this lovely town) is that the process and
outcome feel elitist, At a time when the richest 1 % of your population are on target to own
two-thirds of all wealth by 2030, maybe residents want to see a more open and collective
decision -making process for funds like this. Maybe moving forward children can somehow be
included. Since most of our kids don't have art in schools anymore, maybe kids can use theer'
imaginations to come up with concepts for collective art projects. Certainly, local talent
should always be prioritized. personally, I would lave to see faces of heroes who helped in
the fire and their stories pinned creatively to cover the ugliest part of the rat infested trestle
area or plurals or something with an uplifting message. l would argue that tourists will be
much more impressed with stories of the heroism that this town displayed during the fires
than some giant, abstract bathtub thing. If the arts group really values modern sculptures, I
wish they would check out the ones in Napa by the river that colorful, interactive and smalls
Also, there are some good ideas here- https.//www heroicimagination'.or /block/2018/l/1 /it-
takes- ublic-art-to-raise-a-villa e
264) The money needs to go to public art AND there are still many ways to make that
happen that utilize Petaluma artists, a more democratic community input process and the
talents and feedback of our youth and possibly underserved populations. I work in
philanthropy and I have recommended funding for countless public art projects over the last
20 years, The more popular ones I have seen have utilized extensive community input, labor
and even materials where possible. In my opinion the best reflect the spirit of the community
and help depict what make the area great.
265) Seems mainly opposition to the tubs on Next Door and Facebook. Who knows what
the rest of Petaluma thinks. Anyway, a group on Facebook is suggesting a protest for those
opposed to this art installation. They are planning a march on plater Street. They want
people marching to be holding plungers in the air. Last I looked, they were thinking of chants
for the protest. I remember a couple of thorn - No tubs, in our hub. Pull the plug, on the tubs.
When I read their plans - couldn't help but think of villagers with torches in Frankenstein
movie. Guess hardware stores should stock up on plungers.
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266) Is there another public meeting coming up or some other way to give feedback
besides a protest (not that its a bad idea). i just wonder if there is a formal process where
citizens can make a group complaint to the City Councilor something....
2 7) 1 think the problem is a lot of people feel the proposed artwork IS obstructive and that
they will enjoy the promenade LESS with the piece in place, I LOVE the tub benches in your
link. We do need seating along the promenade, maybe that's the way to go if bathtubs have
such a strong historic connection to Petaluma as the artist described.'
263} Love the former Soviet tub seats, Very creative. Russia has many wonderful
pedestrian promenades, graced with fountains, benches, trees and flower gardens. I would
love for Petaluma to do this with the block of Kentucky Street from Western to Washington.
Think hour beautiful that could be? (Without bathtubs on stilts.) Despite the Photoshop humor
I'm actually not opposed to bathtubs in the sky, they're kind of whimsical and fun. I AM
opposed to therm taking over the downtown Rive alk- they redefine the space and became
a blight, not an artistic enhancement. Maybe an open space along the river somewhere?
Please, NOT at the Rive alk!
269) More Junk to call art. Better Gaff in a junk bin.
270) For anyone who didn't hear it at the meeting, the artist plans to build these "to last
100 years, maybe longer". In case anyone's thinking of it as a'passing thing'...
271) How about a group gets together with a counter proposal, I propose toilets instead of
tubs - they could flush directly into the Petaluma slough
272) Why this? This is the best Petaluma can come up with? Figures!
273) I usually have an edgy idea of art, I've grown up in an artist family, and am rather
bored with the art here in Petaluma. But this is not the answer. l hope it doesn't come to
pass. Call me aid fashioned„ but I think Petaluma could use some more murals (NOT
historical, but reflecting our cultures) and performance artists.
274) Looks apocalyptic to me!
275) Bathtubs on stilts was reminding me of something... Star Wars...
276) Neighbors against neighbors? Is there anyone who actually likes this junk?
277) Yes, Johanna; + the AT -AT walkers from Star Wars; Wells' The War of the Worlds
aliens; Hasbro's Mousetrap game. Can find no connection to Petaluma in this design!
278) What does Rivertown revival have to do with old bathtubs on stilts? It's more like
rivertown destruction
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279) "..,the chance to climb..." The FIRST night these things are up some bozo is going to
try ;to climb them.
280) If they get put up the OZO's who voted for these should have to bathe in them. eli
281) 1 do not know why they selected a piece that obstructs a walking/bicycling path and
the lovely view.
282) Yes, if this is the pied Petaluma is destined to have, then this piece totally belongs
at the Ellis Creek Water Recycling Facility- emerging from the water! And thank you Ralph
for all your mock-ups. If the PAC had done this as an exercise for the public months (years?)
age - which seems "very low -hanging fruit - then we wouldn't be undergoing the current
exercise, consisting largely of outrage. I was hoping the trestle area was finally going to start
looking LESS cluttered - and that maybe more things could be taken away dike the trestle
and the chain link fend, etc). As I said since post #1, 20 legs makes for a congested,
unpleasant addition to an already discordant area. Wondering how in the Sam Full artist
Coggin, if he know of the intended location for his piece, thought it a good fit for that narrow
area? Location, location, location. Hmmm.
283) Little dark, don't you think? What's the message?
284) Looks like advertising for a salvage yard
8) Looks like an eyesore to me.
8) hate to be near that in a earthquake
287) invasion of the bathtubs!! a nightmare of an idea
288) 1 think I've solved the Bathtub Art Installation conundrum. Let's plant the tubs on stilts
amongst the transformers at the PGE site behind the ugly chain link fence PGE has there,
between the "D Street bridge and the parking garage. It's perfect. See my pic, below. This is
the ugliest piece of Petaluma. I do like the giant whimsical plug, though.
289) I'm still in favor of the sewer plant if we must have there...
290) They threw out the baby with the bath water on this one
291) This may be too late, but take a look at Pinterest website. Then do a search for
Public Art. Pretty interesting ideas. And, "oogle" Public Art, definition, etc. interesting.
29) if not the sewer plant, where Dutra wants to ruin our wetlands would be a spot. That
way, Amy Dutra would have to ruin Public Art to get what she wants
293) One of the beautiful things about a river in a city; is how it opens the city up., gives it
air and space and water and movement, and vistas, creating a call and response from bank
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to bank. River banks in most cities are in fact honored destinations for people to meet,
wander, sit, ponder, and relax. This piece, as represented, does nothing to elevate or
enhance the gift the river space offers. The many legs and towering poll mail melee here
actually do the exact opposite, creating for the pedestrian and the viewer obstruction and
confusion, and tenuousness that I believe would rake it far less likely for people to use or
visit this space. l choose not to pass judgement on the piece itself, but I do believe it would
be better somewhere else. This open area is a wonderful place full of potential, please do not
barricade it both visually and physically.
94) Why don't we use the art money for something usual- the tressel rebuilt would be a
work of art truly depicting Petaluma- a city with a river, a fairgrounds and sorrowing Ag lands
295) How long will it take for someone to figure out how to get up in that bathtub fall out
then sue the city?????
296) If this art installation was merely temporary, perhaps it would be
acceptable —although not terribly pleasing or meaningful. It seems the intent of this work is to
provoke controversy rather than artfully convey elements of Petaluma's unique history. While
I appreciate the artist's attempt to embrace the kinship between humans and water (a very
tactile & visual relationship), I don't see this design as capturing those aspects in a
meaningful way.
97) That's the thing about sculpture. It interacts with its surroundings as well as
presenting a statement of its own. That's why the tubs are just so wrong for the riverside
location. The interaction is so OFF.
298) This "art" project is embarrassment to our lovely; town. l can think of MANY ways to
spend that money for better uses. Please spread the weird. Bath tubs on stilts! Novo about
potholes, money to the boys and girls club, food for the elderly and needy.
299) I'm quite sure nobody needs another opinion on this but here I go because l feel
Petaluma in my heart and soul. First let me say the artist did a wonderful job and a very
creative piece. But I too do not think it's a fit for Petaluma. The Artist mentioned feeling that
the River is the heart of Petaluma but in fact in my opinion history is the heart of Petaluma
and part of that history is the river and the architecture and the chickens and agriculture and
none of them standalone. When Petaluma looks at that piece of art and has to question the
meaning of it that's not a good sign. 1 think if he had instead used chickens or old barns or
the old buildings or mill or maybe all of then some of us who don't get the tubs would've
understood the art... Not saying that we would have liked it but we would have gotten it. I
myself find it the tubs on legs ominous and dark and my first thought was it belongs over with
the burning man Art. If an artist is going to design art for Petaluma they need to have and
understand Petaluma from the inside looking out, not the outside looking in. I am also
disappointed that the city spent so much money can this.; I personally would've liked to see
the city put the money into seed bombing all of the city's empty lots with poppyseeds and
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wildflowers— Now that would be a work of art.
300) 1 may have said this previously but there is no reason public art funds can't be used
for beautification projects rather than sculpture per se. Sculptors often are hired for public art
projects to design things like shade structures and benches, landscaping, etc. I think if we
could push for that to be the focus of this project we might be happier. Not that I have any
confidence the artist will be moved in that direction. But we can try...
301) Then let's try real art that serves a purpose or is actually art. However I don't believe
the money could not be re -allocated to another more useful project.
30) Can you imagine if a couple hundred dissenting voices showed up? The ten or so
that support this would be stunned.
303) This looks ridiculous! I am reminded of the land walkers in Star Wars I think it was
The Empire Strikes ackome things are just not ART in my opinion. Just sayin'
304) On how l wish that Mary was right about the funds not being 9Bour tax money" which
implies that residents of Petaluma are not paying for the flying bathtubs, but rather
contractors are paying. Technically, she's correct that it's not a direct tax on Petaluma
residents, but as a practical matter it's virtually impossible to truly tax "a corporation,
business, contractor, etc. The art fee is simply a cost of doing business for them and it gets
passed on to Petaluma residents in many ways: higher cost to buy their buildings, higher
rents, more expensive goods and services from the merchants who pass on the cost of their
higher resit to customers, so in fact many of us do pay for the art projects, just indirectly.
When people complain about the cost of rents and the need for more low cost housing
projects, It should be considered that ultimately the cost of buildings, rents, etc. are affected
by the fees. There is no free lunch and every citizen is where the buck stops when it conies
to taxes, We pay income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, excise taxes and more....and yes„
indirectly we all pay corporate and business taxes for companies who pass on all their costs
as a part of their product or service.
05) 1 get it! It's a turning basin lot. Clever. I do wonder about drainage.
306) Sonoma county as well Petaluma itself has a lot of talented artists, why didn't they
choose one of them to do an art project for the town that is in the county they live in? We
have artists that can make something wild. What about those guys on Washington Street?
Now tell me that a truck that looks like a giant Rhino isn't wild? I think it looks better than
flying bathtubs!
307) David Best is a famous sculptor as well, and a Petaluma resident. I believe he was in
a run-off with Coggin and has the commission for the next project. It's nice that you've
reconciled yourself to the bathtubs, and some of your reasons for doing so are compelling.
But even though Petaluma needs more money, I don't think that is reason enough to settle
for something as ridiculous and inapt/inane as Coggin is offering. The future may be coming,
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but that doesn't mean we can't have a say in what form and direction it take. Tourists cone
and go but we have to live with it.
308) It does not have to happen
309) Maybe I just missed it because of the volume of posts, but it seems like there has
been a deafening silence from our current city council. Dove to see a "like it or don't like it"
indication from each council member, without any of the normal political doublespeak or
noncommittal comments. I think we deserve to know holm they feel.
310) 1 just drove by Kevin dark's studio (mistakenly thought it was David Best's!).
Couldn't those gorgeous lions be purchased and placed downtown somewhere? eery time I
drive by I see those lions and dream I could have them at the entrance of the beautiful home
I win with the lottery. I wonder what a Kevin dark chicken would look like? I like Petaluma
being associated with a chicken, since it's a symbol of the past and I think the future too....
Petaluma is becoming known for its restaurants and 1 especially like the farm to table
restaurants, businesses... But mostly, Kevin is a local artist who does really interesting stuff...
shouldn't Petaluma celebrate this? ...just my two cents.
311) (Tease don't. Coggin is not Christo, and I actually like some of Goggin's
installations... but not this, not there.
312) Wrong project. Wrong location.
313) Among all the beautiful things nature has to offer they chose bathtubs??!!!!! (.give me
a brake!!!
314) The point is a vast majority of neighbors don't want to see it.
315) you are saying It's a done deal? So we might as well accept it? Again a few people
get to make the decision for a great many who object. Flow sad.
316) 1 don't believe it is finalized. Doesn't the (pity Council need to approve the release of
funds? Go to the May 24th meeting and let's find out exactly where things stand. This is what%
is so annoying: city staff has not made it clear to the public what the process is, where w
are in it, and what options the public has.
17) 1 don't think the issue here is the people not accepting ""new" or "different" things. I
think they just don't feel the subject matter is relevant to the location. I understand the
argument that some great art was not accepted at first. But just because something is not
accepted does not mean that there ,is great art hiding in there.. Sometimes its just some
artist's personal deal, and only he gets it. That doesn't make it great art. And the fame of the
artist also doesn't transform a mediocre piece into great art either. Sometimes artists just
saving and miss. Sometimes they are so bent on their idea, and so arrogant that they just try
to force their ideas on gathers, without regard to whether anyone really appreciates their
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ideas --and I think that is what has happened herd. Some of the more controversial art that
has been created pushed the envelope of form and design. Some of it, like Duchamp's urinal
evoked strong criticism, and in part that was because the artist was thumbing his nose at
some established norms. There are some significant differences between that sort of art and
this proposal. First, and most importantly, this is a permanent public installation. That
imposes some additional constraints that don't apply to o piece that would be privately
owned acid/or temporarily displayed. This piece will be located in a central and prominent
location in town where everyone will see it every time they are there, whether they like it or
not. SO, if it is tone loved, even over time, it needs to provide SOME basis for that affection
other than just being weird. Second,`there is no significant underlying statement being made
by the artist, In his own words„ when asked to explain it, he rambled on about iron front
buildings and craws and hills. The bathtubs supposedly harken back to some earlier time
when there were foundries in SF and parts of buildings were brought up the river.. and then
the bathtubs.. iron, so THERE'S a connection -And the tubs had sea water lilt hem; and so
does the rived!! ..and the tubs are kart of like cow shapes, so THERE'S ANOTHER
GGNNECTIC3W, and the Sonoma hills.. cows live on the hills, so let's put the cow/bathtubs
on stilts so that they are sort of like cows on the hills.. Yeah!! Honestly, that's a pretty
tortured and pitiful explanation that smacks of some guy who doesn't understand anything
about Petaluma, having some silly artsy idea about tubs on stilts, and then trying to figure out
hove to explain some connection to the town, So, in the end this is not great arT that nobody
understands. This is weird art for the sake of being weird, seeking to be put in a beloved
place where most feel it will do nothing but create a hazard, and detract from the site.
1 ) 1 HAVE A GREAT IDEA FOR SOME "GREAT ART"!!! Let's build a giant chicken that
stands out in the middle of the turning basic. We can get some iron slag and build a big pile
of chicken poo under it! People will hate it! The press will talk about what a weird town
Petaluma is.. When the Tip networks come and ask what it means we can say, well
Petaluma is known for chickens, and the river is silting up because of the chicken -chit
politicians in Washington, so this is our statement to then! That seems to me to be a more
coherent basis for my artsy idea than fake iron bathtubs on stilts.. AND we can show the
world how arty we are! It will be GREAT!!! The point here is that even if the art has some
connection to the town; there is art that enhances a site, and art that doesn't. I think the
public has been pretty clear that bathtubs on stilts doesn't enhance the site.
19) It will be an embarrassment to our city
20) 1 don't know how to say this more simply: we will not be frequenting that area of
downtown if this tubs -con -stilts contraption goes in. It will be one area of town we will avoid,
both for safety and sanity and that's unfortunate. i have a feeling many others feel the saute
way.
321) can that note, if you review Coggin"s work two themes emerge: 1) Ordinary things
trying to escape in odd ways: Defer estration: furniture crawling out of the windows of the
building; Herd Mentality: Varnished Queen Anne tables running up and over a wall;
Language of Birds: Lighted books in flight). 2) Impractical to maintain: IDefenestrat on is no
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longer there after suffering in the weather and the bird droppings*, I ern not sure about the
other two; but one can imagine the books on wires losing their =power and not being lighted,
and becoming covered with bird poo.. The nice varnished wood tables would presumably
peel and rot over time as well. The bathtubs on stilts are not really much different. Ordinary
things trying to escape in some way;. so that's really just another installation like many of his
others. And like the others, I would imagine bird droppings and weather will be an ongoing
issue. Add to that the highly derivative form, which has been characterized as copying the
star wars walkers, or Dali's elephants, and l personally think this piece; is simultaneously
uninteresting, impractical, and derivative. A real home rain for an artist that apparently, as
Barbara Pollack noted, seems to thrive on "controversy. "The tables, the chairs, the lamps,
the vintage Hotpoint refrigerator, all caked with years of weather and pigeon aftermath —
each piece hit the street showing its age. Gritty, dirty, unpolished and much like the
neighborhood this art called home, the building and the neighborhood are changing."
http:/Isanfrancisco.cbalocal.com/2014/06/03/beloved-san-francisco-landmark-art-hotel-
defenestration-comes-down/
322) That assumes that the Public Art Committee is interested in what the citizens have to
say. So far, that does not appear to be the case.
323) ghat exactly is SYMBOLIC about bathtubs???
324) Same for me. ,Just won't go there to look at bath tubs on stilts.
325) Here's an idea that may satisfy those on both sides of this issue. For those who like
the tubs on stilts "art", they can each have one installed in their front yard. For those who
don't see tubs on stilts as "art", they get to drive by those houses and smile.
326) Of course we'll still be going downtown. But, I'll avoid the river walk if that structure is
installed. It will be a turn off, more crowded and spoiling the river walk experience. 'Shame,
since that is one of the more pedestrian -friendly areas downtown. Who needs the tubs?!
327) Who is the artist? I'm hoping a local artist from Petaluma.
323) 1 don't think it's fair to assume anyone who doesn't like this piece has a closed mind
and/or is averse to new, different things. I've been on this thread from day one and have
read all 600+ comments; many people who object to this piece clearly don't fit that
description. There are very many well thought out responses from those who don't support
the piece.
329) 1 was at both Aqus meetings and feedback was not solicited. People were invited to
ask questions so they could better understand the piece but their feedback was not invited.
This definitely needs to happen at the meeting on the 24th
330) 1 like Goggins' lit and musical piano sculpture! Why didn't he pick something as cool
for our awesome town? MR. GGGGIN , WE BEG YOU TO GCS BACK TO THE DRAWING
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31) 1 know in other nearby cities they have art contests where the winners art is turned
into posters, T-shirt's and postcards that in turn bring in revenue for the city. My mother was
the winner of the I3od ga Bay's Fisherman's Festival back in 2014. She didn't receive
money. But, it was an honor to win and she was proud that her artwork brought in Honey for
her community. Why don't we do that here? Why would we spend $150,000 when we
undoubtedly have local artists that would do it for free? They would do it for the recognition
and it adds to their resumes. l think we are spending money which is needed elsewhere
instead of profiting from our local artists who I am sure would leave to contribute to their
community.
332) When I look at'a piece of art I experience it with my whole being not just my mind. I
think many people are like this. It seems from this many hundred posts that many people had
a negative gut reaction to this art installation in this particular setting. They heavily disliked it.
This has nothing to do with having an open mind or not. You can't be talked out of'a strong
gut reaction with intellectual ideas. It's what you are experiencing in a whole body way.
333) Agreed Jane! I think besides the fact that people are joist not connecting to this
specific art piece, there is also an overwhelming sense that our community is not spending
money wisely. It has nothing to do with not having an open mind.
334) 1 just can't see spending so much money on an art piece when we can't even walk on
the street because of the cobblestones. It's putting the cart before the horse'. There's a way
to use the allocated ark fund $ to fiat the cobblestones. .'.but no one gets that yet...
335) Tease no!!!!! Bathtubs only in the bathrooms in Petaluma!! Flow about some
BEAUTIFUL art that is visually uplifting not uplifted bathtubs that look precariously
dangerous!!
336) What a waste of money. Bathtubs, really? They do look dangerous Llssa Fasters,
your absolutely right. That was my first thought when I saw them. Whose choosing these
artists anyway? Let our hometown artists make their marks. Spread the Love between our
Petaluma talent. I'm so sick of all this political back scratching.
337) For $150k we could at least put some bathtubs at ground level, put walls around
them with locking doors, run hot water to them, and make them available to the homeless.
Now, that would be a public service. And it would contribute to beautifying the community
333) 1) No... mope. )Why? bath tubs? 25 feet in the air? 3) If you like this you would
literally support anything a person calls art. That's cool, just not downtown where we all have
to see it, ) 1 demand this be engineered and certified by a certified structural engineer
before being placed in a public space.
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339) l agree and it must pass an environmental study. It could be hazardous to the area
and wildlife.
340) That said, I did hear an explanation by Coggin at one of the Aclus meetings. That did
nothing to cause me to appreciate his work any more. In fact, his explanation sounded
contrived and added no additional detail or depth to the piece. It was more like an attempt to
explain how Petaluma relates to a piece that, frankly, has almost nothing to do with
Petaluma.
341) ,also, I had the distinct impression that some of the people who favor this project may
be as interested in the prestige a work by Coggin would bring to Petaluma as they are in the
actual project itself. Whatever you may think of the validity of that particular mindset, it does
suggest they might be open to a different project or location as long as it is by Coggin. And
one last thing: it seems to me that more pros attend or at least speak up than the dons,
despite the overwhelming negative responses here.
342) Now does this represent Petaluma. Chickens on stilts might be better but I'm not for
either.
343) Because everyone in Petaluma has a bathtub, right? And sometimes cows drink out
of them. So it®s like totally Petaluma.)
344) He started with Iron front buildings, of which apparently Petaluma has a few, but
nobody seems to know of care abut the fact that they are iron. That leads to foundries that
made them in the SF area and the fact that they were brought here yip the river. So far,
something about iron front buildings might work here.. Then we go off into bathtubs.. Which,
other than being iron, have nothing to do with iron front buildings. Except, oh wait! Ships also
had iron bathtubs (never mind that the barges they brought the iron building up the river on
did not probably even have toilets, let alone bathtubs.. )...and they were filled with seawater,
which sloshed as the ship rolled. That reminds us of tides, and the river has tides.. Y"all still
with me here? So now we have some strained relationship between bathtubs and the ocean,
and an even more strained relationship between the river and the bathtubs.;Eut wait, we
need stilts! (Why? Presumably because Goggin has his heart set on the idea of bathtubs on
stilts). So Coggin reminds us that Petaluma is a dairy town, and that means cows.. And
especially cows on the Sonoma hills...So, he evokes the image of cows on the hills, and
leaps to the vision that bathtubs (which he has clearly and miraculously linked to Petaluma
via the river and the ships, via the iron front buildings) on stilts remind us of cows on the hills.
I'm sorry. if that's not contrived, I don't know what is. The link between the tubs and the iron
front buildings is weak and strained at best, as is the link between the tubs and the river. The
link between the cows and there tubs is non-existent. I suspect Coggin is laughing all the
way to the bank that he was able to foist off this lame "explanation" of his piece on the
committee, and others who bought it. I though Goggins description was more of a paean to
artspeak, with just enough historical references thrown in to appease those needing
something to harken back to Petaluma`s past. To me that explanation is a hindsight rationale
for the project that he cobbled together (arid presented very professionally), to justify an idea
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that he has probably had in his head long before the Petaluma opportunity dame up. In
contrasts take est's proposal. A Best style arch marking the Mart of the Lynch Creek Trail.
His style is unique and known to Petaluma, and it bears some connection to the victorian
homes on the lower west side. More importantly, it delineates a place and creates a familiar
but unusual entry way that is both useful and beautiful. None of these things can be said
about fake iron* tubs on stilts. est's proposal doesn't need any explanation, because it fits
in its place, its presence is obvious, and its form enhances that place (otherwise known as
"public art"). Goggin's doesn't fit, has no obvious reason for being there, and has no
interesting form. * Flaring waxed poetic about the iron front buildings and the foundries,
apparently Coggin is not going to use actual iron tubs, because they would be too heavy.. so
they are fake iron tubs.. how non -Petaluma is that?
345) Arrogant specifically because it is there despite (and in many cases in combat with)
the space. That might be OK for a truly conceptual piece that is transient, but great outdoor
art either creates the sense of place (Running Fence, Chicago Cows, Mannekin Pis in
Brussels, Hachiko in Tokyo), or it enhances it (Running Fence, the Seal Beach pier Seal, the
Fausto Coppi statue at the trip of the Pordoi pass in Italy, the Washington Monument, etc) ,
or both (The Rockwell statues in Plymouth Ml, Stonehenge, the terra cotta warriors at Xion),
the Sphinx. ..etc). "art: that besmirches a place is just arrogant, and should be put
somewhere where it can be admired by those that get off on it without imposing itself on
everyone else who doesn't.
346) Mould like to hear the argument of why this style "should be implemented ? Heard
plenty of the "why not" lol
347) Not a fan :-(
348) 1 hate the tubs; Lisa, glary, and the rest of you who approve of them. Is Petaluma
really so provincial that Goggins thinks this is the best we should expect of him? Because
this is tripe
349) 1 read all the meeting agenda and attachments that Beverly so kindly posted about
Goggins' project. I found the artist's narrative seductive and intellectually realized. That being
said, I also found the constant referencing of San Francisco just plain annoying. I don't live in
SF. I live in Petaluma. l don't think many of us immediately think "iron clad building fronts"
when we think of this town. We think of agriculture and wildlife, the river, and the hills, clouds
blown across the sky by western winds OR classic cars and honkey-tonk pianos and tongue-
in-cheek egg -centric humor. Airport/luggage. Exactly. He hit the mark on that one. Perhaps
we should hold our commissioned artists captive here for six months, so they get it. The ark
student in me says the piece is great. The Petaluma river lover in me says maybe in another
location. He hasn't convinced me. Reading the comments was wonderful!
30) Something is bringing it on? Some force beyond our control is telling us this is what
most be for Petaluma? This is one person's artistic vision, nothing more.
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51) Here is a concept that might make most people happy- how about some lovely
chicken sculptures (maybe one for each side of the entrance to the pedestrian bridge at the
trestle).Flow about they be created by local artists? Flow about we use the theme that the
North Bay Organizing Project used at the last Butter and Eggs Parade -"be a good egg." We
could have a few egg shaped dome "chairs" around the trestle where people can sit and
rest.. Since the theme would be "be a good egg" there could be an attractive free standing
bulletin board where the city or some organizations can place photos and stories of local
residents who have recently done things to improve the city and or uplift its citizens, lids can
climb on the egg chairs/statues, everyone can stop and read about our local "good eggs."
Everyone can get a chuckle at the lovely chicken sculptures. I will present this idea next
week. We have a local world famous stone sculptor, Edwin Norman, in Petaluma who could
create the egg chairs..... imagine something more egg -like and in stone
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352) My dreads: I see sculptures of a Miwok family gathering reeds along the bank of the
river and sculptures of Miwok people in canoes leer whatever watercraft is appropriate) in the
water near the edge of the river, out of the way of passing boats. There could also be
sculptures of Miwok people seated on the ground next to the walking area in conversational
clusters, designed so that they could be sat on, as if we were children sitting on the laps of
our grandparents. I am a little tired of chickens...and would like to honor the people who lived
here before us without desecrating or polluting the land. Q
353) 1 agree,honoring the Miwok in a quiet way would have been such a better` direction.
354) Lave the idea, hate the proposed pieces. Looks like someone event to the dumps, got`
some old tubs and put them on sticks. Is there some meaning behind` it??? I hope we are not
spending our money on this project.
355) Sorry, don't care for the piece at all. Way too dark and "post -apocalyptic -looking",
IIVIOi If it is something I would have to see while walking or driving around town, I would likely
change rely route to avoid it. With the many talented artists in this town, how was this
particular piece chosen?
356) no offense to the artist..,just don't like this particular work.
357) Wouldn't it nice to use the talents of our art student community. We must have some
kids from schools who could put up art for us. The money's could help the schools and beast
of all the artistic who lives here for the rest of there life could say hey i did that how
rewarding. Gotta love those kids.
358) Flow about Miwok art, chicken and cattle art, shipping art - lumber, grain, etc.? It
would be nice to honor our history. What die bathtubs have to do with the history or anything
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of Petaluma?
359) The bathtubs seem pretty lame. What will happen when it rains and they fill with
water? Mosquito heaven? Or ugly drainage when you walk by? I really like the Whale Tail
sculpture at Deer Creek Village by Terrence Martin -love the blue lights.
http;// .thejag ed-ed�e.com/commercialart.html Maybe commission a ship or scow? Or
even the metal sculpture on the wall at Raley's.... ;Sure hate to think good money is being
spent on bathtubs.... too pedestrian!
360) 1 was driving through SF yesterday on 9th Street heading home. I spied an art
installation off a building somewhere not too far south of Market. I look up and to and behold
it's pianos on stilts projecting from the side of the building. I Googled it and, yes, it's Croggins'
work. The pianos light ;up at night which I'm sure looks very cool. This installation cost
750,000 dollars according to the web. Thus only 150,000 for bathtubs. I've seen some of his
other work in SF but nothing on stilts before. I still believe this is the wrong location for the
project.
361) Ugly and stupid fix our roads!
362) Any mock-up should include poles at the precise angles of the proposed pieces, and
of a length that reaches above people's heads. That is the only way to accurately assess the
obstructions.
3) Someone told me today that this bathtub -project is already approved??!! Is this
correct??!!
364) Why not some whimsical `windy" art piece that pays tribute to the Sonoma Aroma?
Still not chickens but not hideous tubs either! I'm still stuck on the walking hazard of 20 +
pole randomly coming out of the ground. What about the poor dad who runs after his toddler
and get clipped in the head by a pole at a 45 degree angle? Or the old lady who can see in
front of her (and take a pole to the dome) because she is concentrating on watching her
footing? 1 Hate. It
365) 1 copied and printed about 300 comments from this thread. I didn't include the
conversational canes or ones where there was no overall opinion expressed.I have delivered
this, together with my statement for tomorraw's meeting, to Teresa Barrett and David Mass,
and will also send it to the committee. There were about 141 unique responses (I did not
count multiple opinions from the same person. Of those;130 were negative, and only 11 were
positive. That's 92% against versus % in favor. One point I make to the committee is that
they are not only deciding the fate of this piece, if they choose something so obviously
unpopular, then they will probably risk a ballot measure to shift the 1 % tax to other things,
and to do away with it altogether, Thereby dismantling support for public art by making
obviously poor choices.
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366) EVERYONE SHOULD READ Attachments From Posted 5/24/18 PAC AGENDA. 4A,
Water Street Public Art Project; Receipt of Public Comments Received and Discussion of
Next Steps (K.Colin) Agenda Item 4 A - Water Street Project STAFF REPORT
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367) This has been going on and on. I hope you can come to a decision. This is really way=
out of proportion to the really important issues that are geeing on. I'm honestly sick of hearing
about this. Not being rude, just very honest.
368) Does anyone have the e-mail addresses of the current city council and mayor? Leave
to get their opinions and let them know the collective feeling of the community. They certainly
have some influence.
369) What is the purpose of Public Art? To amuse? To enrage? To enhance a specific
site? To cause controversy? To create anxiety? To bring a smile? To encourage walking"? to
discourage biking? To be a safety hazard? To inspire reflection? To reassure locals? To
promote tourism? Selecting public art is often a contentious princess, ;as everyone has an
opinion. Bringing controversial art does not mean one is enlightened, and not liking it does
not mean that one is unsophisticated or provincial. I am a 4th generation Petaluman,
descended from immigrant great-grandparents, 1 have lived in several river -towns and visited
many others (including Sacramento, Paris, and Florence) where I experienced a vide variety
of private and public art and sculpture. Currently, I work as an art teacher in Sonoma. I share
this not to say I am an expert (although I have an art degree and art credential), but I have
some familiarity with art through my college classes, my traveling experiences, and my
teaching. I love many different styles of art, including prehistoric art, Old Testers, post -
Impressionism, pop -art, and Burning Man. One of my favorite artists is Niki de St Phalle, a
French -American who created colorful whimsical statues. I like some of Mr. Goggin's works;
however, l do not see whimsy or beauty or relevance in fake -iron bathtubs can tall stilts on a
walking path near the river. I see a dangerous public nuisance and no connection to our
beautiful river -town. Mr. Goggin shared his vision for his creation, but bathtubs on stilts bring
nothing positive nor enriching to our river -walk experience, in my opinion. I feel we should
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challenge Mr. Goggin to redesign a piece that will enhance our river -walk for locals and
tourists. There is enough dreariness and controversy in the world — please create a
stimulating piece that inspires and makes us smile! If you and he desperately want bathtubs,
then perhaps a decorative cow or several wildly painted chickens, drinking out of a colorful
bathtub at ground level would be better suited to this location. Tubs on stilts would be a
walking and bike -riding hazard, as well as an earthquake risk. Tubs that don't drain well
would be'a rainy day problem and a mosquito haven. Tubs on stilts do not beautify our river
walk! in fact, at eye -level, all we would see are the stilts, Petaluma deserves public art that
would inspire, encourage, and enhance one's river -walk experience. Mr. Goggin is very
talented, so please have him create something whimsical and colorful that resonates with the
history of Petaluma, brings a positive feeling, makes us proud, and enriches our riverwalk!
370) Here is what I sent to the Committee, to Mayor Glass and Teresa Barrett, and to Mr,
Colim Mr. Colin, and members of the Public Art Committee- I am writing to submit my opinion
on the public art installation proposed by Mr. Coggin. There have been ongoing
conversations about this piece on Nextdoor,corn and Facebook. The Nextdoor thread is one
of the longest I have ever seen. It currently has almost 800 posts. Many of the proponents of
the piece have tried to discount the online reaction, but I feel it is representative of the overall
population. I have a sample of the comments attached to this email. As you can see if you
read them, they are primarily negative, with a small handful of positive reactions. I did some
analysis of the thread so that you all could put it into perspective. The thread represents the
opinions of about 141 unique individuals. Of those, 130 expressed varying degrees of dislike
of the piece. Only 11 individuals expressed support for it (and some of them were committee
members). That comes out to 92% against it, versus 8 percent in favor. The margin of error,
relative to the 60K population of Petaluma is about 8%, so even if the numbers are skewed
somewhat, the general consensus is strongly negative. Many absolutely hate the piece, and
a smaller number don't like it, but felt it might be OK if located somewhere other than Water
Street. Some of the relocation sites included the Dutra site, where it could not do any
additional harm, and the sewage treatment facility, I suppose because of the connection to
wastewater... Most people feel that the piece has no connection to Petaluma, is ugly, and
makes no sense. Many also feel it represents a hazard for people traveling on Water Street,
Many are concerned about the tubs becoming clogged with leaves and bird droppings, and
becoming a safety and public health hazard, and/or a magnet for vandalism. As I understand
it, there is no money allocated for the long-term cleaning and maintenance of the piece, so
these concerns seem to be justified. My personal opinion is that the piece is derivative (many
folks have noted its similarity to HG Wells'War of the Worlds, the Star Wars walkers, and
Salvador Dail's elephants, except with the inexplicable use of bath tubs.. apparently just for
the weirdness of it), and it detracts from the location in numerous ways. It adds unnecessary
and unrelated clutter to an already visually busy place. It conflicts with and is unrelated to the
river, and separates the Golden Eagle center and riverfront at Dempsey's and Tap's from the
water street area. It makes no coherent visual statement, and, as noted by numerous people,
it has no real connection to the town's history or even its current vibe. Mr. Goggin's
explanation that it represents cows on the Sonoma hills, is laughable at best, especially
considering this piece obstructs those beautiful hills from the river front. I attended one of the
Anus meetings and found the artist's explanation of the connection to Petaluma strained and
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contrived, I suspect Mr. Coggin had this idea in his head well before the Petaluma
opportunity arrived, and he assembled a bizarre and elaborate explanation for putting it here
(iron front buildings to barges, to bathtubs to cows on stilts to bathtubs on stilts..Okaaaay ). I
would also caution the committee to consider the long-term potential for this piece. Several
of Goggin's pieces are no longer around because they suffered from weather, bird droppings
and no maintenance plan (see for example:
htt san-francisco-landmark-art-hotel-
clefenestration-comes-down). If this installation does go in, it is likely to deteriorate rather
quickly and then we will be faced with the headache of removing it; having squandered
$150K and a great deal of public good will. Lastly, I would also caution the committee against
moving forward with this piece just because they think it's prestigious to have the work of a
well-known artist in town. If that art is hated, as it seems to be, then I would suspect that the
next step would be a ballot measure to rescind the 1 % tax for public art. While that would be
unfortunate, if this is the best you can come up with, the public would seem to have a point,
So, I would suggest to the committee that you are not just deciding on an art installation, you
are also, very likely determining the overall support for public art going forward. This view is
further supported by numerous posts suggesting other, more worthy, uses for the funding. I
think Petaluma, and the proposition of public art in Petaluma both deserve better than this,
and I urge you to ask the artist to start over, and come up with a piece that actually fits the
community. If he is unwilling, then I suggest he be shown the door. Thank you.
371) Honestly, I think if the committee ignores the pubic outcry over this, then the best
solution is to first go to the council and seek to change the process, so that some small
group of anointed (dare I say it?) illuminati do not have the power to determine what gets
funded and what doesn't. Failing that, we rescind or amend the law, and try again with a
better model for how these decisions get made for the people of Petaluma. So far, after
several tries, the current process appears to have consistently swung and missed...
372) 1 can't imagine that they would ignore the outcry. I'm afraid the outcry would turn into
an even more forceful backlash if they did. Please post the outcome of the meeting tomorrow
night for those of us unable to attend.
373) Seems like the cart is being put before the horse. Shouldn't the commission gather
public opinion first?
374) 1 will not be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, but I sent additional email to the
members of art council and art commission, confirming that our family's opinion on this
matter is negative. We had time to think and consider the arguments presented by Brian
Goggin in support of his first proposal. We were not able to feel differently about this piece
and did not change our opinion, Our opinion is still the same - This proposal should not be
approved. used on what we know about his past works, mr. Coggin is undeniably talented
and has great imagination, undoubtedly this was the reason that he was hired by Petaluma
to provide his service as public artist. We are sure that his imagination is just as flexible as it
is rich and his ideas are plentiful and varied, and it will not be impossible or difficult for him to
offer other proposals besides the one that is currently offered. He was hired for his
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qualifications, with trust and hope that he will create something that most residents of
Petaluma will like; and embrace. We would expect to see several of his ideas for Petaluma
city to consider and choose the most fitting among therm We don't think that it is fair to the
residents to be forced to accept the one and only option that was given to them. This
proposal causes an immediate negative emotional reaction in us and most viewers that we
talked to, and does not take into account the needs and plans of the public for the use of the
site as promenade and a gathering place along the river. Rivers flowing through towns
historically are cherished by people who live in such towns. Banks of the avers are turned
into walking areas, promenades lined with trees, shade structures and benches and, of
course, public art, that does not obstruct the walkway, but enhances it, contributes to healthy
ecology of the place, creating pleasant mood and desire to stay longer. Our request is to Mr.
Coggin - to create a project that would be congruent with the vision of this area as a
riverfront promenade. The alternative is for city art commission to consider viability of the
contract. Another important aspect is the improvement and beautification of the Water Street
as a whole, hopefully part of the art fund can be dedicated to this.
375) It seems there is overwhelming consensus as to the "art" aspect of these tubs - 92%
vote no, So, can the artist be asked to "redesign"? My impression of most artists is that do
not do design work, they are inspired. Could you imagine the Mona Lisa with a grin to make
us happier? So, we can see how it goes with Mr. Goggins, but l would not want to insult an
artist. Like any art piece you either see the value and pay the price or you don't. I think it
might be easier to pay 1 OK and move on, It must be frustrating to try to convince so many
of your vision --but perhaps Mr. Goggins could not deny the many voices speaking.
37) Friday and Saturday night there's a lot of drunk people out and about and I could see
them climbing rap and wanting to get in those bathtubs not a good idea I think this artwork
should be moved over to the Art Center
377) It is not unheard of to ask the artist to rethink his proposal. There was one public art
issue I read about where the artist basically came up with a giant hamster wheel, which
everyone hated. They asked him to try again, and he carve up with something that the public
accepted That said, I did not get any impression from Coggin that he was interested in what
folks had to say. He thinks he is all that, and I suspect he will just press his vision on
everyone. Not stare about the "for cause" issue noted by Renee above, fly suspicion is that
we are stuck with him (and the committee seems to be pleased with his work). I have not
seen the contract, but I would be interested to know if the city is under any sort of obligation
to retain the art work for any period of time. If not, the draconian solution would be to let the
installation proceed, boycott the unveiling, ;and convince the city council to have it removed.
Thereby wasting 150K plus the removal costs. If this is the case, then I would suggest that
the charter of the public art committee (assuming it survives) be changed so that they are not
allowed to enter into any sort of open ended agreement where they don't know what they will
get, and then have to take whatever the artist delivers. If, on the other hand, they have the
ability to control what gets put up, then I would hope they listen to the public. If they refuse,
and forge ahead anyway, there we will need to take steps to assure that this doesn't happen
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again... that is, establish some sort of overall public or council approval step.
37) After allowing all of the attendees to speak, and acknowledging the high level of
public dislike for this "art" installation the Public Art Committee (AKA kangaroo court),
decided to move forward with a final design. This was despite two of the members
suggesting the the committee examine some of the other public art locations in order to at
least address the concerns about that particular monstrosity in that particular location. So
there it is... Many of the committee members thought it was great that it got people talking
about art, although they seemed to overlook the fact that most of the conversation has been
about how much people dislike it. I ask, rhetorically, since this is now pretty much a done
deal, wouldn't it have been better to have the public talking about the art because they
LIKED it? I am not sure what qualifications the Committee members have, but several of
them appeared to me to have rather unsophisticated reasons for supporting the piece, So
much for the nice riverfront. I can hear the graffiti cans rattling already.
379) 1 still say we need to rent the billboard on Washington near Malden Eagle Shopping
Center and place a big picture of this Bath Dubs in the Sky Project with a text Yes or No
number and the named of the committee members that are so in love with it and their phone
numbers to contact them for comments. I will donate the first $500.00 toward the billboard.
380) Thank you for the update. It is so disappointing that the majority of concerned
Fetalumans' input was ignored and thousands of dollars will be misused.
331) 1 was there and observed exactly what you said. The committee already had their
mind made up no matter what they heard, especially asking to look for another location. Also;
I keep wandering where were all the people who have strong objections on Nextdoor but
weren't there. I really expected a much bigger turnout. Someone suggested that we should
go to the next City Council meeting and try to convince them to stop it. They have the Bast
weird about it continuing. Another suggestion is to post signs around town. I'm so dick about
the process and the complete dismissal of others opinions. I thought they wanted our
opinions. So much for keeping Petaluma quaint, now we are Little San Francisco.
382) Scott and Carolyn, I was there, too, and felt as you did. minds are made up.
33) 1 think a crowdfunding effort to stop this is very appropriate, and realistic. That's what
CROWD is all about. A seed donation of $500 for the billboard is a great idea. I'd bet MANY
people in town have no idea the terrible misdeed slated for their river walk. My work
schedule prevents me from attending most public meetings on community issues. But, I
doubt that I'm alone in offering to support the effort to stop bad decisions via donation or
petition. As Bob Marley sang, don't give up the fight! GoFundMe?
334.) Melissa, l am neither disappointed with the lively expressions of many neighbors can
this forum objecting to the art proposal, nor disapproving of their honesty and point of view.
Insulting and rude? Let's reserve those adjectives for Trump. You should be happy that so
much interest was engendered by this controversy. We read heartfelt reactions, and many
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displayed real emotion and passion. The controversy did indeed educate many community
members and I dare say they will show up at future public art proposals much sooner in the
process in the future. Yes, many were unacquainted with what public art is, and how it is
funded. On the other hand I agree about the elitist attitude of defenders of the project. Ever
since Duchamps ('art is what the artist says it is") the door has been left wide open for
sophisticates to feel vindicated when the less educated don't 'get' their ideas or object to
them. Many in this forum have played right into their hands and probably now feel certain
that Brian's piece is 'real art' for the very reason that it inspired so much protest. That is why I
didn't attend the meeting. I think the project will attract attention which it is designed to do,
draw tourists, inspire wonder in kids who will ask what it means and smile, and add to the
urban sophistication of Petaluma, which many folk yearn for. Me, I avoid events designed to
draw tourists, my business is not dependent on attracting more attention to the town, and so
I do not object to this project, I have no right to —what attracted me to Petaluma 50 years ago
was its lack of self consciousness, The town felt'real to me. And now the more sophisticated
people in town (or so they think) can have a go at it.
385) 1 remain disgusted and disappointed,
386) Carolyn Bellante: I was sitting in the second row behind you as you spoke. Thanks
for the statement you made. It was clear and heartfelt. It is a shame the committee wasted
everyone's time pretending to listen and then went forward without actually considering the
387) 1 believe if the Art Committee wishes to place an art installation in a public space
obstructing what is designated in adopted plans as a bike and pedestrian walk way, it has to
be a council decision. This isn't about whether any of us like the piece or not, it's about how
a public space, a commons, is going to be used from here on out. Does the town wish to give
up that space for this art installation? This is a council decision not a committee decision.
The council has to make decisions that are consistent with the general plan. I strongly object
to this use of this space because it obstructs the long term intended use. It's an important
open space in our downtown. This needs to come to the council for a public hearing.
388) Not every famous artist's work was reviled. Mr Goggin's work here is not reviled
either, but it is seen and grossly inappropriate for the space. I would have supported it, or at
least not fought against ti, in some other more appropriate location. As it is, it will be a scar
on the waterfront. The Statue of Liberty was not hated when it went up. It was slow to draw
financial support, but once it was done there was no huge negative outcry over it. The Eiffel
tower was controversial, but I spect that had a lot to do with it's overwhelming scale.
389) OK, we have a start, Between Scott & 1, we have $1,000,00 toward a billboard to
showcase this proposed art to the citizens in real time. I looked up Billboards and the
company below came up. https://www.vealeoutdooradvertising.com/locations/biIIboard-
pgj�Lluma/ I don't see the one on Washington Street, we may have to go and see the
billboard to get a phone number.
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90) Jane, yes that is my concern. How was it decided that an artwork can be placed over
a public walking/bicycling path? I just don't understand this at all. I admit I do not like the
artwork. Illy thought first seeing it is that the structures reminded me of the torture devices in
Bruegel's " Triumph of Death" 1562. Just substitute wheels for the tubs and there you have
it. The other association is gallows, So for me it is a sad; frightening work and not whimsical.'
Some pointed to other works from which this one derives. The other works depict monster -
like structures. Maybe once it is up it will no longer remind me of ruegel's painting.
However, it will Mill tower over those walking or bicycling through.
391) I think the art world is one of the most pretentious of human endeavors. That crappy
paintings are north millions of dollars is ridiculous. To the art council,; the fact that almost
everyone hates it is probably viewed as proof to its brilliance. But if you just want attention
and to 'generate conversation' cover it in swastikas - I guarantee you'll be at the trap of
Google News for the next month. Crappy art is crappy art. I don't see how saying that is
somehow close-minded. Ironically, I'm OK with them putting up this 'art'. I love stupid art.
Somebody got thousands of dollars for this? Way to pull one over buddy!
392) Lisa, I suggested the GoFundMe account. Know why? Because this river walk
belongs to ME and ALL the people of Petaluma. And, clearly, the (arts?) council clique wants
to dictate what goes based on their tastes, Installing this monstrosity of bathtubs on poles
(art? who defines art?) is an affront to everyone who uses this PUBLIC space. This totally
disconnected piece of (art?) completely redefines that space and pollutes an otherwise
friendly and relatively open place next to our river. Not fair that a small group of (art?) minded
folks force this on our community. I will NOT be walking or riding my bike through that area if
this contraption is installed. Not safe, not friendly, not pleasant anymore. Why should we
NOT gofund an effort to stop this craziness downtown? OUR town, OUR river walk.
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From: Patricia Paula <ppetaIuma@hotmaiI.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 12:41 PM
To:
Cc:
Subject Appeal for the Tubs Project -AFine Balance - NEED TOADDRESS BEFORE MARCH l4 2019
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DearMayor and members 8fthe Art Council,
| attended the February 28thmeeting Onthe proposed art project for Water Street in
Petaluma. /AFine Balance)
| find the name rather ironic there was not a fine balance atthe meeting. | heard far more
citizens speak out not infavor ofthis project attheproposed area.
| would like toregister anappeal to the decision tomove forward with this project. | think this
project is NOT appropriate for the Historic Water Front area.
Thank you to Christopher Smith and Catherine Alden for listening to Petaluma's citizens and
their concern for this installation by voting against this project.
| see that there are six members onthe Art Council. | read the Argus Courier article and saw
that Margaret 6eiss-Mooneywas absent. Which allowed rnetodeduct that ifChristopher and
Catherine were "no's" then Beverly, Heather, and Caroline would have to have voted "yes",
leaving the total atfive votes.
How can you move Lorward when the vote of Margaret could have been a "no", therefore
Please answer that question.
Please also let rneknow what |need dotoregister rnyformal appeal tothe decision tomove
forward with the Fine Balance project.
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Gabe <counci1memberkgaE0ey@rne.corn>; King, Dave <c1aveI<ingpcc@gmaH.com>
Subject: In Support of Fine Balance on Water Street
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Also, FYI here is a link to a set of photos of Water St taken from various angles that I did awhile back
help artists submitting proposals to the PPAC for Water St.
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I am a local photographer who has been reflecting on and thinking about Petaluma since
moving here in 1986 . I would like to express my support for the installation of Brian Goggin's
public art piece Fine Balance on Water Street. I have heard the concerns of those who oppose
the piece and the positive views of those in favor, while at the same time understanding that
only a small percentage of the Petaluma population cares directly about this project. It is a
relatively small circle of active people who have been debating excitedly about the art and its
impact on Water Street.
Water Street is indeed an important location. It has long been a center of commerce as the
town has developed. Our town's first trading posts and warehouses went up there. It used to be
a 24/7 hard working waterfront as did the Embarcadero in San Francisco. Now these and many
other waterfronts around the Bay are being transformed into social, recreational areas. New
restaurants, entertainment venues, art, and lively people want to be near the water. Fine
Balance could give a lift to Water Street which it needs. It could pull people to the riverfront and
draw more attention to an area we would like to enjoy and celebrate.
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The most evocative views of the River would not be adversely affected by Fine
Balance. Looking south down Water St toward the Mill, the river is not at all blocked by the
proposed art. Neither are the beautifully reflective views northwest and southeast from the
pedestrian bridge. The view from the Golden Eagle side looking West across the River would
be enlivened • Fine Balance. The proposed art •#' not •l our views of the river • it
could bring more people TO the river both day and night- for the proposed piece will be lit at
night. Perhaps Fine Balance would also encourage the shops and restaurants to try one more
time to turn toward the river to help create a new vibrant public space. I trust the decision of the
city's Public Art Committee to give Brian the commission to do this artwork and I I trust Brian to
do the fine, well crafted, delightful work he has done repeatedly around the it Area- • in
challenging locations. Fine Balance expresses a playful imaginative spirit that could open new
doors of perception for Petaluma,
Scott Hess
5901 Red Hill Road
Petaluma, CA 94952
707-765-0580
www.ScottHessPhoto.com
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Sent: Friday, March 15,ZO191O:19PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@ci.petaluma.ca.us>
Subject: NO on the Bathtub Art
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It is disheartening to see such an out of touch so called exhibit of art being pushed down the throats of
long term residents. These are residents from multiple generations of Petalumans and residents who do
business in that area. It is disgusting to hear that the city would easily allow unwanted "art" with a hefty
price tag to be installed in a very historic part of town that boasts beautiful views and attracts people on
its own. Certainly these financial resources could be reallocated for better use within the community.
This particular artist needs to find a more appropriate venue for his piece and the city needs to take care
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I'm sorry the city has ended up in this situation, but they need to make it right for the people and
bathtubs on stilts are not right for the people. They don't even look safe or look like they meet building
code standards.
Thank you,
Heather Bellmer
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Fwd: Petaluma Public Art Committee Budget and Ordinance revisions needed
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ITEMin the meeting minutes. The staff report paints a false picture of the Committee's budget by not
accounting for expenditures, administrative time spent to date, future anticipated administration
allocation, maintenance etc. At the rate you are going, there will not be much left for actual art, and the
is i-tsufficiett.
This statement tries to whitewash the myriad of concerns that have been expressed over the project,
the lack of modifications, and PPAC utter disregard of public input. The only person who demonstrated
re -reading of a written statement from last July exemplified how little she has listened to the tsunami of
input that has occurred in the last nine months since July, let alone her expressed disregard of elderly
constituents. "You're old and it's scary but too bad change is gonna come" is not acceptable in any
public forum, but bluntly illustrates how little she cares about those who have a different view.
From: annemnonica
Date: Mon, K4ar4, 2019 at 1:14 PM
Subject: Petaluma Public Art Committee Budget and Ordinance revisions needed
To: Teresa Barrett [ound|nnemberGabe
Kearney Kevin McDonnell
D'LyndaFischer
Kathleen Miller
I attended the February 28, 2019 PPAC meeting, where the Art Committee budget was discussed. I ask
that you prioritize revamping of the Public Art Ordinance so that it is sustainable and administered
responsibly. It is my understanding that the Committee functions semi -autonomously, and that all
expenditures are allocated out of the Public Art money that is received.
According to the budget report submitted for January 2019, expenses for the last quarter for
administration alone exceeded $22,O0U. Extrapolated over ayear, that would bealmost $lOOKfor
administration out of$4OQKincome. Here's arough calculation ofthe Committee's income and
expenses for the quarter (including the cost of the art itself), indicating that less than $100k is available
for actual art projects:
This spending is not sustainable over the long term, Heather Hines noted that the Committee spent
$25,000 to develop the Small Art contest, and the prize was $25,000. $1 administration for $1 grant.
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Wouldn't PPAC be administered more cost-effectively if it was programmed into one of the funded
groups such as Planning Commission, DRC, Parks and Rec or Historic Advisory Committee? In addition, 2
portion of the money received for public art should be allocated to fund local art programs, including
the Art Center.
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From: Suzanne Biaggi <susanna@sbiaEgi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 9:45 PIVI
To: Barrett, Teresa <teresa4petal uma@comcast. net>
Cc: McDonnell, Kevin <mcdonneIl4coundI@&maiI.corn>; Fischer, D'Lynda
<dlynda@fischerforcounc'il.com>; mhealy_@sbc&lobal.net; Kearney, Gabe
<councilmemberkearney_@me.com>; King, Dave <davekingpcc@gmai1.com>; McDonnell, Kevin
<mcclonnelo,c�ouncil �mafl�.com>; kathleenmilleroffice@gmail.com; -- City Clerk
<CityClerk @ci. petal uma ca.us>
Subject: fine balance
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I am writing you as a supporter of Fine balance. As a public artist I
know this installation is the right piece for the right place. Water St.
needs re vitalization. This installation will bring life and energy to the
-2rea. It is unfortunate that so much mis-information has been
disseminated. Most people are not familiar with public art and the
process. I still see folks posting and saying that the money should be
spent for fixing pot holes, the trestle, etc. I attended the recent PPAC
meeting when the project was approved to move forward. The people
who expressed disapproval of the project were only slightly more than
those who were in favor. I will send you the exact numbers of pros
versus cons when I obtain the figures. It has been highly published that
the overwhelming majority were against the project, is is not true
as you will see.
I urge you to vote to move forward with the project and not cave into a
small vocal proportion of the population who are using fear tactics.
Suzanne biaggi
www.sbiaLyei.com
resident of Petaluma since 1983
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Landscape Design + Sculpture
SUZANNE BIAGGI
Susanna &sbia %ixom
707.483.5314
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Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 9:01 AM
To: -- City Clerk <gLityClerk_@ci.petalurna.ca.us>
Subject: Bathtubs on stilts
10TRIARTAN
11'etaluma. I have always been proud of my town and community. I believe we are a forward thinkinr
,teople that are intelligent and caring for our country and world.
This public art display does not portray any of my sentiment for our town. I do not want this display to
mar our values as a city nor give the wrong impression to visitors. We are not "dirty" and do not need a
bath.
I am not understanding the artists intention or how it correlates to our history as people or a
community.
Sincerely,
David |saza
714|St, Petaluma, CA94952
707-775-7418
From: Barbara <barbarap@sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:30 PM
To: -- City Clerk <Q yC1erk@cityofpetalurna.org>
Subject: City Council Win -Win Solutions
City Council Win -Win Solutions
I take issue with the 4/20 Argus article about the recent appeals filed against
City Council decisions. Among them are three appeals filed against the
decision to approve the installation of the public art project, A Fine Balance
(AFB)—better known as Tubs on Stilts —on historic Water Street.
It is not Petaluma's guiding documents and policies that are at odds with the
wishes of the public. Rather, it is the decision of the City Council that is in
violation of Petaluma's guiding documents and planning policies. Their
decision is also at odds with the wishes of a large majority of the public.
Details of these violations and the extent of the opposition can be found at
www.savewaterstreet.com.
The entire conflict, as well as the appeals, could be easily and swiftly resolved
by the Council making final funding of AFB contingent on the Petaluma Public
Art Committee's (PPAC) relocation of A Fine Balance to a location outside the
Historic District and away from the historic waterfront. Failing that, the contract
with the artist could simply be canceled. This compromise, another "price of
democracy," would result in a win for everyone concerned:
WIN: PPAC would get to buy their "world class art" for exhibition in Petaluma;
WIN: The appellants would get A Fine Balance removed from the Historical
District;
WIN: The City Council would be voting with public opinion, supporting public
art, and upholding planning and preservation documents;
WIN: Brian Goggin, the artist, would not have to keep altering his creation in
order to make it fit into an inappropriate space; and
WIN: There would be an end to the divisiveness that this project has
engendered.
Let us hope that Mayor Barrett and the Council quickly recognize the error of
their decision and their "process," thereby saving themselves and the City
much time and money.
Barbara Pollack
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 111 PM
To: -- City Clerk <CityClerk@ci.petaluma.ca.us>
Subject: Letter to City Council
Thank you,
Roger Robles
2031 Crinella Drive
Petaluma, CA 94954
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11 English Street
Petaluma, CA 94952
Re: Time for a Commonsense Solution
Madam Mayor and Council Members,
I am not opposed to art. I am not opposed to change. I believe the PPAC is comprised of
wonderful hard-working people who genuinely care about our town. Unfortunately, as
best as I can tell, a majority of our fellow Petalumans are against their decision to install
bathtubs on stilts on Water Street.
To support this fact, I refer to the Argus Courier poll that had 80% opposition. I also
refer to the original batch of PPAC comment cards from the poles event which had 70
opposition. And finally, there was a missing batch of PPAC comment cards that, whe
located, bad 75% opposition. These groups total approximately 1,000 individual
responses. The consistently high percentage of opposition should not be ignored.
Fortunately, this is not an "either/or" issue. There are other locations for this water
related "vision". One concerned citizen even offered to sponsor the artist if the piece w
moved to another location. It seems to me that a commonsense compromise would
satisfy both sides. By moving the installation to another location, the PPAC would get i
Googin piece and those concerned with the historic nature of our downtown district
would feel comfortable that the ambiance of our downtown (and its ability to draw
tourists and their dollars) would be preserved.
A healthy debate of this issue might have resolved this difference in opinion if the PPAC
[riublic outreach had been affective. By the admission of many of the city council
members at the 12/17/18 city council meeting, the public outreach of the PPAC was
lacking and not successful. So, the time for public debate seems to have passed and the
final decision now rests with you, the City Council. I understand that your decision will
be difficult since it will leave many unhappy. But politics and personal relationships
aside, a simple compromise will satisfy the majority of our town.
I understand both sides are lawyering up to fight for their opinion. Do we really need to
resolve our differences that way? Instead, I would hope that you, our elected leaders, put
an end to the madness and come up with a commonsense solution.
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