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2 Planning Commission Minutes
3 March 23, 2004 — 7 :00 'PM.
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5 Commissioners:
6 Present: Asselmeier, Barrett, Dargie *, Harris, McAllister, Rose, von Raesfeld
7 * Chair
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9 Staff: Pamela Tuft, Director of`General Plan Administration
10 Dean Eckerson, Engineering Manager, Dept. of Water Resources & Conservation
11 Scott Duiven, Associate Planner
12' Shelly Kappel, Administrative Secretary
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15 ROLL CALL.
16 PUBLIC COMMENT: None.
17 DIRECTOR'S REPORT: None
18 COMM REPORT: None
19 CORRESPONDENCE: Letter to Pamela Tuft- from_ Paula Lane Action Network
20 (PLAN) regarding Land Use Mobility and Alternatives 2025 Technical Appendix Index
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23 Public Workshop began: 7:00 p.m.
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25 NEW BUSINESS:
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27 GENERAL PLAN 2004- 2025: Discussion and comment on the Land
28 Use and.Wobility Alternatives Report
29 Present: Rajeev Bhatia, Dyett & Bhatia
30 Matthew Ridgway, Fehr & Peers
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32 Pamela Tuft Presented Alternatives Report and invited the Commission to participate in
33 the upcoming public workshops, March 24 and April 10` General Plan Administration
34. staff is available to the Commission for additional workshops, as needed, to
35 accommodate Commission participation in recommending a Preferred Land Use and
36 Mobility Plan to the City Council..
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i PUBLIC COMMENT:
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3 Ira Bennett Has been a developer for 25 years., Became interested in Land Use issues
4 when serving on Citizen. Committees for General Plans in the early 70's in Mendocino
5 County. Has been involved in at least two dozen General Plan updates. His perception is
6 that this General Plan team is one of the best he has ever seen in terms of depth of
7 knowledge, analysis and clarity that everyone is bringing to it.
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9 Susan Kirks Lives on the west side of Petaluma and is speaking on behalf of her
10 neighborhood organization, Paula Lane Action Network (PLAN). Materials were
11 provided to Pamela Tuft's office and the Planning Commission today that consists of
12 detailed comments and biological reports for the General' Plan process: PLAN is a
13 neighborhood organization of about 70 families and households on the west side of
14 Petaluma. As shown on Alternatives A, B & C in the revised General Plan map,
15 specifically on Paula Lane between Bodega Avenue and Schuman Lane, it appears that
16 the recommended increase in density would be to rural residential two to four houses per
17 acre. A discussion with a County General Plan team member, working on the revision of
18 the Sonoma County General Plan, disclosed that this type of zoning change would require
19 sewage services from the City. The County currently does not have an intention of
20 changing the designation on the County properties in our neighborhood from the current
21 agriculture, .residential, one house per two acres. We would appreciate a reflection. in the
22 revised General Plan of the actual zoning in our neighborhood on County properties. On
23 the map in the underutilized land, figure 2 -4, the increased zoning, rural residential
24 zoning, some of the properties that are currently AR2. PLAN believes there are three •
25 between Bodega Avenue and Sunset Drive shown as underutilized land. With the current
26 AR2 zoning designation, which we understand will not be changed, we would question
27 the proposed designation. Those particular properties are three old Petaluma and Sonoma
28 County farmsteads that all have homes on them, some have barns, and some are currently
29 used for domestic animals. PLAN requests that a reconsideration of that underutilized
30 land on Paula Lane be designated to be similar to County AR2. Regarding the Urban
31 Separator (US), PLAN of course favors an official designation of what has always been
32 considered on our ' side of town, ' that the west side of Paula Lane, between Bodega
33 Avenue and Schuman Lane and going northward is a US and we see that on all three
34 Alternatives. PLAN requests that at least 200 feet of an US, keeping in mind that the
35 General Plan'policy is a maximum of 300 feet, be considered in the planning process. We
36 would ask that in the planning process, those writing the plan, be cognizant of 1) the
37 historic relevance of Paula Lane to early Sonoma County and Petaluma rural agricultural .
38 heritage; 2) environmental constraints . in areas such as, traffic, traffic congestion,
39 hydrology, including drainage, water pressure, ground water recharge, potential wetlands,
40 sewage disposal, and visual esthetic uses; and 3) wildlife corridor which is the Paula
41 Lane land from Bodega .Avenue to Schumann Lane, keeping in mind the importance to
42 our community of wildlife habitat protection (American Badger) as well as over 6.1 bird
43 species.
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1 Clanton Engstrom — Have been a resident of Petaluma for about 35 years. Has concerns
2 about where this General Plan is heading with respect to his neighborhood (Jessie Lane
3' off Petaluma Boulevard North). Specifically, about how we do grow and how we adopt
4 the Plan that is going to be respectful of the built environment. Concerned that there is no
5 US on the west side of town (Jessie Lane). Petaluma Boulevard North as gateway
6 development standard is a concern and would like to see something built in that corridor
7 to be proud of, rather than a sound wall similar to the east side of town.
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9 PUBLIC HEARING:
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11 Commissioner Barrett Regarding Chart 2 -2, residential density, in the description of
12 traditional and PUD zoning and how it would be affected under the proposed alternatives;
13 i.e., #4, Old East Petaluma, traditional zoning; there would be additional potential for 17
14 units —do you mean that there would be additional potential for 17 units without making
15 anymore lots, which would be a net gain of 14 units? Is that 17 additional units plus
16 granny units? Question about granny units actually applies to everything about residential
17 development. When we talk about increasing medium densities to 18 units, do we mean
18 18 plus everyone can add on a granny unit too?
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20 Pamela Tuft The intent would not include granny units. Granny units are intended for the
21 detached single - family' dwelling neighborhoods. In the past, density calculations have not
22 included granny units in- the detached single- family dwelling zones. According to Mike
• 23 Moore,. Comm unity Development. Director (present at the meeting), the City does not
24 permit granny units. in the RC (Compact Residential) zone. Not sure what the
25 development standards will be after the General Plan is completed but it is the intent that
26 the multiple -unit designations would not accommodate the placement of granny units.
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28 Scott Duiven There was a misconception because the density ranges that are proposed in
29 the land use classifications imply that there was a whole scale doubling of density within
30 a community, which was not our .intention. We took representative neighborhoods, from
31 throughout the community, and looked at what the impact of these land use
32 classifications in those neighborhoods with the, intention of preserving those
33 neighborhoods the way they are. We looked at the land use in terms of number of units to
34 the acre, looked at parcel size and determined how many units would be allowed based
35 on whether they subdivided or whether they did duplexes /triplexes.
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37 Commission Barrett Regarding the same example ( #4 Old East Petaluma), when you are
38 saying; there is a potential for 1.7 additional units, would that mean there would teardowns
39 in order to make those 17 additional units or would you assume that the units that were
40 there would stay there and somehow 17 more units would be squeezed in there?
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42 Scott Duiven It .could happen either way but if you look at the exhibit you will notice a
43 few really large parcels , that are long and deep, so people could build additional units on
44 their parcel without having to necessarily do a teardown.
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46 Commissioner Barrett It would not rule out tearing down?
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1 Scott Duiven No, that would become more of a policy discussion.
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3 Commissioner.Barrett On #5, West Petaluma traditional zoning, it shows the plot of land
4 where Pepper School and the Hatchery is-- currently it shows two parcels that: have that
5 land use designation.. The Hatchery is looking to become a multi -unit development which
6 would substantially change the impact of this neighborhood. Would only those two
7 outlined lots be considered high - density residential?
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9 Scott Duiven Yes. In this case if you look at the actual alternatives it looks at .that block
10 in terms of the high density being on those two and some of the smaller parcels
11 surrounding them, but looks at maintaining the office use currently in the Hatchery as one
12 alternative. Another alternative looks at office and mixed -use for that site.
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14 Commissioner Barrett What if the owner of the Hatchery wants to make it into multiple
15 housing what would they have to do to achieve that? What are we doing to them by
16 adopting any of these alternatives? Are we restricting their development there? Can they
17 get a PUD there?
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19 Scott Duiven It depends what the Planning Commission and ultimately the City Council
20 decides in the'Preferred Plan will determine what the potential is there; i.e. office use,
21 high density housing, etc. The option for a PUD will be addressed through the
22 preparation of Development Standards, subsequent to the General Plan.
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24 Commissioner Barrett I'm not seeing how that is addressed in any of these Alternatives. -'•.
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26 Pamela Tuft For the Hatchery building, we were not looking at it for a possible
27 conversion to residential. If the Planning Commission is interested in doing that, what we
28 should do is look at it in context with the surrounding neighborhood and whether the
29 Alternatives should look at something compatible with the neighborhoods to the west and
30 northwest, or for compatibility to RMG zoning designation. We would look at the
31 neighborhoods in that context and offer a recommendation to the Planning Commission,
32 after discussing with the Community Development Department, the possible use of
33 Diverse Low Residential, similar to a.portion of the west side older neighborhoods.
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35 Commissioner Barrett The two outlined are clearly already non - conforming. Could that
36 kind of development exist throughout the area?
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38 Pamela Tuft No. We are looking at the existing neighborhoods and trying to bring the
39 General Plan into more consistency with what is there, particularly with the Diverse Low
40 designation. When areas are designated up to five units. (Urban Standard), but are actually
41 close to ten (units per acre); in our opinion, the Plan would not respect the quality and
42 density of the community fabric that is there. Our intent was to bring it up so. the existing
43 lots are consistent with the General Plan. One option for the two high - density complexes
44 on that block is to look at something less then what would bring them closer into
45 conformity. They are built at 28/29 units per acre and the highest density that we are
46 offering goes up to 26. 0
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I Commissioner Barrett It was mentioned in- the presentation whether or not a mobile
2 home park designation would be useful. What would you think that would include and
3 why did that come up?
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5 Pamela Tuft The subject came up during the early public workshops and also at the City
6 Council during the rent control discussions on mobile home parks. The major concern
7 from residents was that a high or medium - density designation in the General Plan could
8 be converted, once the people were moved out and the mobile homes were moved off the
9 site. The land value for apartments may be a higher net value than continued use as a
10 mobile home park. Mobile home park designation in the General Plan would preserve
11 that value of its current use, rather than entice a landowner to seek redevelopment
12 opportunities. Several City Council members indicated an interest in creating General
13 Plan designations for mobile homes to preserve the sanctity of land use for our existing
14 mobile home parks.
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16 Commissioner von Raesfeld Are they currently zoned PUD's?
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18 Pamela Tuft For the most part RMG and in the General Plan Urban Diversified and one
19 (Little Woods, Lakeville) might be Urban High. [Note: Following the meeting this was
20 rechecked and all are Urban Standard, 2.1 to rive dwelling units /acre, except Little
21 Woods, which is Urban High.]
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• 23 - Commissioner Barrett On page 7, Table 2 -1, you have senior housing —does that number
24 include mobile homes in the senior housing?
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26 Pamela Tuft No. The senior housing units are subsidized or dedicated to senior only
27 units.
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29 Commissioner Barrett Are mobile homes included in any of the number of homes?
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31 Pamela Tuft They are a residential unit. They are not designated as senior housing.
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33 Commissioner Barrett So it would be under the single - family unless it was for senior
34 only.
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36 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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38 Commissioner von' Raesfeld The logic of the areas designated as possible UGB
39 expansion ,areas, is simply those as indicated in the ballot initiative or is there more to
40 their selection?
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42 Pamela Tuft 'In the 1998 Ballot Measure, we looked for those instances where a specific
43 need would predicate a consideration of an exception. The ballot identified the criteria for
44 exceptions but a concern was identified by the public as to where those exceptions apply.
• 45 What would be a typical exception? So we identified the' four possible expansion areas,
46 not to say those were the only areas that could be considered, but in all likelihood, where
47 was a, possible benefit: 1) Lakeville, southeast of Frates; '2) Near the Ford Ranch on
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1 Petaluma Boulevard South; 3) Corona Road, northeast of the rail crossing; 4) Beyond
2 Redwood Business Park II and III in the open field that is within the City's 'UGB and
3 extending partially up the hill toward Denman_ Road, extending parallel to the freeway.
4 This fourth area ended up being designated Community Separator in the agreements
5 between Ahe. County and the City. Alternative C offers a new fourth possible UGB
6 Expansion Area Alternative, for discussion purposes, to follow the ridge that runs parallel
7 to Gossage Avenue on the northwest edge of Gossage. Part of Gossage: is presently in the
8 UGB- and part of the road is not. We could look at Urban Separator options -- parks. to
9 serve the northwest quadrant of the community and some transitional housing to feather
10 the density toward the rural land uses.
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12 Commissioner von Raesfeld If you .look at the graphic and the color assigned to the US,
13 in some cases it is a "real US and in come cases it is a "possible" US.
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15 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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17 Commissioner von Raesfeld If you look off Lakeville around Frates, in all three options
18 it is configured slightly different.
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20 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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22 Commissioner von Raesfeld Those weren't driven by topography?
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24 Pamela " :.. No. When you look at the 1998 UG13 Ballot Measure, �rny original
25 suggestion was to look at the UGB in this quadrant to follow Ellis Creek, a natural
26 boundary, with a, concept of having a wide US on the City side of Ellis Creek as it wraps
27 around in a northeast direction and touches Frates, in the vicinity of Adobe: Road; it
28 would be an appropriate edge of the City. The attempt on the Alternatives looked at
29 property lines in one and did not follow property lines in the other two Alternatives.
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31 Comm_ issioner Barrett Regarding the XP =SWMM (Service Water Management Model),
32 does it take into consideration what the buildouts of`Altematives A, B & C would be
33 outside the town; i.e., the Marin Creek are_ a or the KOA area?
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35 Pamela.Tuft The XP -SWMM recognizes. the flows that enter the City. We worked with
36 the Sonoma. County PERM on the possibility of General Plan Amendments and
37 intensifications (their General Plan Amendment process does not anticipate development
38 potential increases from their existing. Plan). We added impervious ratio increases to the
39 water coming into the City. The analysis did. not see backup of water in the -model runs
40 that would adversely affect upstream Liberty /Mann channels. FEMA has changed one of
41 its storm, assumptions pertaining to mean high tide in identifying the 1 00 -year storm
42 elevation.
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44 Dean Eckerson When you do a watershed analysis to determine your, flood plain, you
45 need to model against a known starting water service elevation. In the case, of our current
46 FEMA ..map, the. starting water service elevation is what is considered the 100 -year high
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47 tide. The current analysis for FEMA purposes for determining flood"plain, models against
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• 1 the mean higher high water, which is the mean of your high tide and that water service
2 elevation is about 2.3 feet lower than the 100 -year high tide. That is one of the reasons
3 when looking at the flood plain mapping, it is a comparison of the two. That is one of the
4 things contributing to the difference in the depicted flood plain.
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6 Commissioner Barrett :. So it is not as conservative as the 100 -year high tide?
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8 Dean Eckerson Yes. It would be less conservative.
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10 Commissioner Barrett So you might get more water in places because it is not as strict.
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12 Dean Eckerson Yes. It is , a change'in how the Corps determines our FEMA flood plain.
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14 Commissioner von Raesfeld I think we are all referring to Figure 3.2. The word
15 "existing" is confusing because it also meaning a new mapping criteria. We are still using
16 the green model?
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18 Dean Eckerson Yes.
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20 Commissioner von Raesfeld So even though we are using the existing, it doesn't mean
21 it's the model we are using.
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119 23 Dean Eckerson Yes. We are using what is mapped in green and we will continue until
24 we use the XP -SWMM. to do a new FEMA flood plain mapping and get it approved by
25 FEMA so we can have a new map. Itwill be undertaken subsequent to the adoption of the
26 new General Plan.
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28 Commissioner von Raesfeld Is the local municipality the lead at re- mapping and FEMA
29 is the approving agency?
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31 Dean Eckerson They review and approve it. The XP -SWMM is now accepted by FEMA
32 as an acceptable method of determining your flood plain.
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34 Commissioner von Raesfeld We may want to re -think the word "existing in the legend.
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36 Pamela Tuft It is the wrong term on this exhibit. It is a current model run under existing
37 conditions. We will continue to use the 1989 maps and the current FEMA exhibits with
38 all the Letter of Map Revisions (LOMR) and Map Amendments (LOMA) that have been
39 approved by FEMA and the Corp of Engineers (CORP).
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41 Commissioner von Raesfeld The amount of hours we dedicate to public comment
42 associated with flooding, I think it would be wise to identify this in the public outreach
43 process.
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45 Commissioner Barrett Can the XP -SWMM be extended to follow the water outside the
46 City that is affected by development within the City because those are the people we hear
47 from?
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1 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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3 Commissioner Barrett Is the County adopting the XP -SWMM?
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5 Dean Eckerson I do not know what they are using as far as their model. Our model is
6 currently setup to depict the upper Petaluma river watershed down to approximately
7 where Adobe Creek enters the Petaluma River. It is designed to model the entire
8 watershed. In discussions with the Sonoma County Water Agency through Zone 2A, in
9 using the Model for the benefit of discussion and looking at the watershed as a whole,
10 they were receptive. Hoping to see regional benefit.
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12 Pamela Tuft Dean Eckerson and I have participated in the County General Plan
13 Committee meetings and they have indicated an interest in recommending that- the
14 County move toward recognizing watershed standards, similar to the City's, in the
15 Petaluma Watershed.
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17 Commissioner Asselmeier Can you take from this map, Figure 3 -2, that there is an
18 improvement that we are expecting? With this better data, can we feel more confident
19 that there can be increased density along the River without impacts?
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21 Pamela, Tuft It is not necessarily better information, it is the benefit of the recently
22 constructed Payran area - Corp project. With the completion of the Corp project and the
23 upcoming replacement of the river bridges, we expect, improved volume to capacity ratios
24 in that reach including the free board that is designed into the Corp Project. It will not
25 necessarily srink the flood plain even further upstream, but the actual analysis of the
26 base flood elevations may be improved, once the two bridge blockages downstream are
27 removed.
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29 Commissioner Asselmeier Is the information presented as the Alternative B along the
30 River based, in part, upon the Corp Proj ect and the improvement?
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32 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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34 Commissioner Asselmeier Can we take from that there is consistency now and what is
35 being proposed as a possible Alternative, is consistent with other requirements and what
36 we are now going to expect to see along the.River?
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38 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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40 Commissioner Rose and Commissioner von Raesfeld Regarding Figure 2 -4, what is the
41 definition of underutilized land?
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43 Scott Duiven It is looking at lands that have a use on them but have additional potential
44 uses under the existing General. Plan.
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• 1 Commissioner Rose It states in the Alternatives Report approximately 986 acres of lands
2 within the UGB are vacant. We do not have a similar statistic as to the number of acres
3 that are underutilized.
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5 Scott Duiven Yes. It is 772 acres.
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7 Commissioner Rose Are all of those designated on Figure 2.4?
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9 Scott Duiven They.should be:
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11 Commissioner Rose It seems to me that there are parcels that I notice around town that
12 do not appear designated and have one residence on a very large parcel surrounded by a
13 denser neighborhood, so am wondering if that is inventoried and if it is in the 772 acres
14 but does not appear graphically.
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16 Scott Duiven For the residential parcels, we looked at those that had the ability to qualify
17 as a major subdivision, we did not look at those that had potential for four or less because
18 the chances of those converting were less. We did not want to.give a false impression that
19 all of these parcels, especially on the western fringe, are going to 'be redeveloped.
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21 Commissioner Rose So your figures are conservative to some degree:
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23 Scott Duiven Yes.
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25 Rajeev Bhatia (Consultant): This figure is really just for our calculation purposes. We are
26 not suggesting that these are the only parcels that might change. We did not include all of
27 the potential re- development. If you have a higher proposed density on a site that is
28 underutilized, it is more likely to turnover than if you were to zone it for a lower density
29 use.
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31 Commissioner von Raesfeld In the 700 acres, is that the gross acres, not the undeveloped
32 remainder?
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34 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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36 Commissioner Asselmeier Regarding growth along the River, in preparing the
37 Alternative B, did you look at other communities in other states to get a sense of how
38 successful that type of river- oriented development has been; i.e., Portland? Are there
39 other models out there in other cities /states where it has shown to be successful?
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41 Pamela Tuft We tried to work with the River in a multifaceted way, intensification in
42 certain areas to a true urban environment; i.e., Lynch Creek, between Turtle Creek and
43 Kingsmill. It is one of our most pristine reaches of our urban creeks, when you are in the
44 creek area you would never know you have neighborhoods on either side of it. In the
45 different aspects of the River itself, and the various creeks, we tried to look at where we
46 could meet the storm capacity needs within a width of corridor, provide for habitat
47 enhancement, improve water run -off quality through opportunities for filtering swales,
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1 and allowing the density to come up against the corridor, to the extent possible, to fit
2 within the framework of those goals. We are .recommending, for consideration, some
3 higher density along the River. Consider the various zones, then look at overlaying
4 acceptable levels of intensity that would work well with the habitat that is there, the
5 habitat that has potential of being there, the need to convey storm water; then recognizing
6 the more people near the River, the better it will be loved, enhanced and preserved.
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8 Commissioner Asselmeier There are going to be zones along the River?
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10 Pamela Tuft That is what we are proposing. Also, widening out the River "corridor" in
11 areas we ,feel the need is there to address habitat and capacity needs. We are not
12 proposing the use of any projects along the lines of the Corp Channelizaton Project; the
13 engineers' solution of concrete walls and retaining, structures.
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15 Commissioner Asselmeier What capacity does the River have to really attract this
16 growth and hold it and. have that be appropriate for our size of community? Are we
17 overinvesting and overfocusing growth along the River if it really can't hold that and
18 attract the investment whether it is commercial, office or residential? Have you taken a
19 survey of other towns, based on our size of River?
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21 Pamela Tuft No. We have not done a survey that ties population, river volume capacities
22 but would be interested at looking at that possibility. Every lineal foot of the River needs
23 to be addressed with great care.
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25 Commissioner Asselmeier Can you briefly address the consistency with the River
26 Access and Enhancement Plan and what is being proposed with Alternative B?
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28 Pamela Tuft The River Access and Enhancement Plan is pivotal to the General Plan.
29 When we develop the Draft Plan, it is our intent that the River plan will continue to be an
30 appendix document. The, setbacks that are called 'in the River Plan will be reiterated in the
31 General Plan and the locations where flood terraces are called for, the actual setback for
32 the terraces will be called out in the General Plan as either development constraints or as
33 a green corridor along the River. Alternative B identifies a flood corridor.
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35 Commissioner Asselmeier So there is complete consistency?
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37 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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39 Commissioner Barrett Regarding the H2O -Net Modeling, is that going to have to drive
40 all three Alternatives or the preferred Plan?
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42 Pamela Tuft The H20-Net is to address the capacity of the existing system (pipes and
43 pumps) or the capacity needs of an improved system to meet fire and domestic flows; i.e.,
44 Paula Lane— getting minimum pressures is problematic so we did not want to address
45 proposed densities that would exacerbate that system. It is a long =range tool that we will
46 use to analyze proposed projects and to maintain the system in a workable fashion. We
47 created it to "test the waters" on the Alternatives so that we didn't box ourselves into a
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1 land use proposal that did not work when we identified the Capital Improvement Program
2 needed for implementation (one of the directives of the General Plan). We do not want to
3 - present something with hidden costs later that are a surprise to the community or not
4 feasible to build.
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6 Commissioner Barrett So you are saying that Alternatives A, B & C do pencil out.
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8 Pamela Tuft What we did is we took the most intensive, which is Alternative B, ran it
9 through the model and met with the engineers that did the evaluation.
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11 Commissioner Barrett The number of housing units that are proposed in each of the
12 Alternatives, with B being the most intense, how do those compare to what the
13 Association of Bay Area Governments (ABAG) assumes Petaluma will need during the
14 lifetime of this upcoming General,Plan?
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16 Pamela Tuft I cannot speak. for ABAG, but have had discussions with their Principal
17 Planner who deals with the. housing allocations. None of the Alternatives create barriers
18 to providing our affordable housing (fair share numbers). ABAG does not tell a
19 community what growth you need; they have always ,respected our Residential Growth
20 Management System in preparing their projection numbers. The Projections 2003
21 document did not incorporate the changes that have been undertaken by the City in the
22 last year or so, such as the changes through the CPSP or the number of other recently
23 approved projects that entailed General,Plan Amendments. ABAG looks at the document
24 that is in place at the time. I am assuming that with the adoption of -the CPSP and other
25 General Plan Land Use Amendments that have occurred over the last 'year, that the next
26 ABAG projections document wilt identify different figures.
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28 Commissioner McAllister Are the population projections based on approved plans for a
29 particular city or they somehow regionally based? -How do , the numbers in the
30 Alternatives match some, or do not match, meet population projections for the Petaluma
31 area?
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33 Pamela Tuft The ABAG projections,are based on local land use regulations.
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35 Commissioner McAllister So the population data at the beginning of the Report is based
36 on only approved plans?
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38 Pamela Tuft Yes.
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40 Commissioner `McAllister Regarding the H2O -Net Modeling, how will overall water
41 supply allocation affect this Plan?
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43 Pamela Tuft We take the issue of allocation from Sonoma. County Water Agency
44 .(SCWA) very seriously. The City Council was wise to identify back in 2000, that Water
• 45 Resources was one of the top three issues of this General Plan and why the four Master
46 Plans for the General Plan Water Resources Element • of our community were
47 incorporated into the General Plan preparation process. We are currently preparing
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1 Master Plans for: 1) Recycled Water (tertiary and secondary treated ;effluent), 2) Ground
2 Water Feasibility Analysis, 3) Surface Water Management, and 4). Water Supply. These i
3 Master Plans need to intertwine with all of the other Elements of the General Plan as we
4 identify the development patterns that we want through the year 2025 and beyond'.
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6 Commissioner ,McAllister Are we going to. end up needing to prioritize development
7 according to this water allocation, which seems scant, given the intensity of some.of what
8 we are looking at? This comds up .from time4o -tune when projects come 'in for review.
9 There is a concern that we might run out.
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11 Pamela Tuft This conversation needs to be held in the Public Forum and as we move
12 towards a Preferred Plan specifically in the policy preparation•,section, on which this
13 Commission will weigh heavily_
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15 BREAK
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17 Chair Dargie Asked Pamela Tuft to go over what the Planning Commission needs to
18 achieve tonight.
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20 Pamela Tuft The purpose of tonight is to introduce you to the Alternatives. Report, to
21 become comfortable, with the content, ask questions and begin the discussion process.
22 Would like to set another workshop meeting with the Commission with specific topics of
23 discussion to help guide with the preparation of policies and. the identification of the
24 Preferred Plan.. Wants the Commission to be active,in the upcoming Public Workshops.
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26 Commissioner McAllister On the Alternatives, regarding the block with the. Hatchery
27 (8 and "F ") on it, some parcels have different land use designations, with the fine level
28 of detail., how do we as the Planning Commission get to that level of discussion or is it
29 driven by'the property owners?
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31 Pamela Tuft The discussion can be parcel specific if the Planning Commission wants it
32 to be parcel specific. We are working now on a data set that shows existing General Plan
33 and the three Alternatives: The biggest step we opted: to do on this General Plan is to not
34 'take a "broad brush" approach of doing whole swaths of :a land use designation: We
35 recognize for a great part of the community, this will probably be the. last General Plan
36 that they will see. Regarding the Hatchery, block., as a past Planning Director, on more
37 than one occasion owners of the Hatchery building wanted to do something that was not
38 consistent with the General Plan. We tried to ; address the .fabric of the neighborhood
39 keeping the focus on a more specific-structure preservation level.
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41 Commissioner McAllister Agrees also that we should not gq ;parcel by parcel. but what
42 happens to those parcels that escape the notice of the reviewing agencies but there were
43 some alternative ideas? Would your office decide how to allocate this?
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45. Pamela Tuft We used the existing land use as a foundation document in the old historic
46 neighborhoods.
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• 1 Commissioner von Raesfeld Do you have a guess of the range of parcels within the
2 current City limits.
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4 Pamela Tuft Just over 22,000.
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6 Commissioner von Raesfeld If you look at a large portion of east Petaluma, they are all
7 existing residential, so maybe 10% of the parcels will be a- typical parcels and has that list
8 been done, as in the, ones that are a- typical to their neighborhood or a- typical because
9 they are undeveloped or underutilized; i.e., Petaluma Boulevard South? If you look at the
10 existing land use map and the legend of the. proposed Alternatives, we are introducing
11 some new categories and zoning is one of our primary tools to implementing the General
12 Plan. Is the Zoning Ordinance rewrite going to be concurrent with, or after, the adoption
13 of the General Plan?
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15 Pamela Tuft The rewrite has-been authorized and will follow soon after the General Plan
16 (concurred by Mike Moore, Community Development Director).
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18 Commissioner von Raesfeld The current analysis and studies assume Highway 101 will
19 be six lanes - -what do we.have if this does not happen and the General Plan says this? We
20 may not see this in the life of the General Plan.
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22 Pamela Tuft If it is a reality that we are not going to assume the Narrows Widening
23 Project somewhere in the early teens, as it is now scheduled, then we need to re -think the
24 Level of Service or need to have a policy workshop at the City Council level.
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26 Commissioner von Raesfeld What do we do on the Planning Commission level if this
27 does not happen for several years?
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29 Pamela Tuft This needs to be discussed - -do we continue to plan with the Regional
30 Transportation assumptions that everyone else in the County is modeling?
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32 Commissioner Asselrneer Is there precedent for setting project approvals to be
33 somewhat contingent upon a timely completion of a particular transportation
34 improvement? Is there some way of tying project approvals to the actual completion of
35 transportation improvements?
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37 Pamela, Tuft Discussion needs to be held with Community Development and General
38 Plan Executive Team for a more definitive answer as to method.
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40 ISSUES TO BE DISCUSSED /CLARIFIED
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42 Commissioner Rose
43 — Need guidance on Residential Growth Management —do we retain a management
44 system and limit growth by virtue of x number of units per year?
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1 Commissioner Asselmeier
2 — Possible UGB Expansion Areas -would like to further explore the implication of
3 discussing certain areas and get a better understanding of what this Plan means
4 when adoptedwith those additional areas.
5 — More familiarity and understanding with the Ballot Measure.
6 — US – If we keep expanding, what does that mean to the US? Does it get, replicated
7 again? Does it become an internal recreational corridor?
8 — Would like position papers to identify the main issues and work through the pros
9 and cons.
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11 Commissioner von Raesfeld:
12 — Define: "Maintaining Economic Development is desirable or vital."
13 — Regarding Alternative C, introduction of neighborhood area plans, certain areas
14 are challenged; i.e., if a owner on the west side wanted to bring back an old style
15 grocery store, this owner would not do a General Plan Amendment. Build in
16 reasonable flexibility.
17 — Water Element – Ground water recharge needs to be discussed.
18 — Discuss the lack of interface between the 2018 UGB timeline and the 2025
19 General Plan timeline.
20 — The interface between the assumptions embedded in the General Plan; i.e., six
21 lanes on Highway 101.
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23 Commissioner Barrett
24 — The UGB Expansion Areas —One of the possible UGB expansion areas was taken
25 off 'because, it has been designated as a scenic area Community Separator by the
26 County - -is that what people wanted? Several of the Plans are showing a lot of
27 concentration, in the Jessie Lane /Gossage Avenue area and there is some concern
28 for what is. very similar to the Paula Lane area that consist of rural ranchettes and
29 all of sudden they are going to find themselves with 18 units per acre density
30 possibility. Needs to be serious consideration about the whole western
31 development and the UGB sensitivity.
32 — US needs to be utilized as much as possible on the west side.
33 — Using the XP -SWMM to look at where this water goes outside our town to the
34 areas that are affected by the development in Petaluma.
35 — The Bike and Pedestrian Plan needs to be respected in the proposed Plan. In order
36 for people to get around safely,, there needs to be a viable Class 1 style bike lane
37 and pedestrian walkways.
38 — Would like to see proposed extension into any UGB, such as suggested in the
39 Corona area.
40 — Discussion about how many units we will be developing yearly. What will the
41 water needs be?
42 — Retain and preserve downtown neighborhoods.
43 — Zoning discussions – mobile home park designation, river dependent industry,
44 Agricultural support industry, commercial, and private recreation. •
45 — Discuss commercial private recreation.
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1 Commissioner McAllister
2 Discuss the subareas within the Genefal Plan; i.e., Corona Road, northern entry
3 which includes the Stony Point area, the interchange, Petaluma Boulevard South
4 and North, western boundary outlining areas and south entry. How do we envision
5 these areas?
6 — Achieving community character.
7 — Residential densities; !.e., hillside rural residential with a maximum density of
8 four dwelling units per acre.
9 — FAR's - is there any kind of floor area ratio for residential? Is concerned with
10 large houses on small lots.
11 — Residential Growth Management System - Look at other communities and bring
12 in precedent on what other communities are doing; i.e., Windsor.
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14 Councilmember Harris
15 — More discussion on mobility, possibly a position paper. Have the •pros and cons
16 looked at.
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18 Chair Dargie
19 — Review the land use designations that are being —large houses built on
20 small lots.
21 — Discuss the differences between Alternative A, B, and C.
• 22 — Discussion on how development along the River would work —more
23 concentration on this than along thoroughfares which is proposed in Alternative
24 A. What would the:implications be? What would the City look like?
25 — Discussion on congestion, on the Level of Service in intersections.
26 — Discuss the cross-town connector.
27 — Discuss Petaluma Boulevard North past the Police Station.
28 — Would like lead background piece for pros and cons for any of the previous issues
29 brought up tonight.
30 — Wants a better understanding of the Alternatives Report so suggested to Pamela
31 Tuft to bring up issues that -she feels the Planning Commission needs to discuss.
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33 MORE QUESTIONS
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35 Commissioner Barrett Does the river dependent industry have to be industry not travel,
36 entertainment or tourism?
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38 Pamela Tuft In context of the dredging, the commercial tonnage is the only weight that is
39 counted. That does not mean that the merits of recreational shouldn't be weighed heavily
40 with regard to community benefit.
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42 Commissioner Barrett Would transportation, if you had ferries?
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44 Pamela Tuft That has been discussed, but at this point in time (in the ranking that we are,
45 which is *so far below ports like Oakland, San Diego, we are in such a different category)
46 the indication has been that, no, it would not be included.
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1 Commissioner Barrett Agriculture support industry could mean frozen food processing
2 factory?
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4 Pamela Tuft Yes, it could, depending on the definition and the policies that support that
5 definition.
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7 Commissioner Barrett There is a lot of rural area in Sonoma County that has a lot of
8 traffic congestion because of the wineries, which I don't think people realized what
9 Agricultural,,support industries might mean. Would that fall into that category?
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11 Pamela-Tuft We have not defined it. The intent was to address the needs, of our existing
12 agricultural industries; i.e., dairy and food processing; and auction yard, etc.
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14 Commissioner,Barrett Regarding commercial private recreation, what if a, driving range
15 owner wants to retire and sell and it becomes a drive -in again?
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17 Pamela Tuft Parking lot for RV's would be a real change in direction. A drive -in movie
18 theatre is commercial recreation. Is the inventory of privately - owned recreational
19 activities in this community so important that it needs to be preserved or protected or
20 clouded by a General Plan specific designation? In my opinion, no, it does not.
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22 II. LIAISON REPORTS: None .
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24 Adjournment: 10:25 pin
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